Arkantos Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Private Military Companies are forbidden to operate in Aiginor under Aigin law. Any Artemis employees found entering or living in Aiginor will be arrested and given a fair trial, after which a sentence of at least 3 months and up to 5 years in prison may be given. Edited July 3, 2009 by Arkantos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Entry into any land is a risk. We are professionals - if we were to back down at the first sign of an unimportant nation throwing its weight around (such as Aotearoa) we wouldn't be where we are today. We refer not to just contracts...but any member of your company at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Artemis is welcome to the Republic of Free Somal. However, while we will make space avaliable for you in the form of a land grant with a twenty year lease at the price of one dollar we do insist that you bring your people in and out of Somal via our normal points of entry and departure. We also request that no biological or chemical weapons be brought into the Republic or the land grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 OOC: Unrealistic RP is still unrealistic.IC: When within our territories, all people are under our jurisdiciton. Perhaps Artemis doens't know the basics of law? Given now the company believes itself to be such professionals, it would be wise enough to avoid our territory. The Republic of Yawoo suggest that Yamato learns how embassy ground works, as any embassy ground is considered sovereign soil where the host countries laws don't exist, but rather those of the embassy's country exist therefore within your territory, not all people are under your jurisdiction. So, perhaps, Yamato doesn't know the basics of law? The Republic of Yawoo welcomes Artemis Global Services back into the public. Should A.G.S. need further bases they are welcome to discuss possible sites with a Yawooian diplomat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) The Republic of Yawoo suggest that Yamato learns how embassy ground works, as any embassy ground is considered sovereign soil where the host countries laws don't exist, but rather those of the embassy's country exist therefore within your territory, not all people are under your jurisdiction. So, perhaps, Yamato doesn't know the basics of law?The Republic of Yawoo welcomes Artemis Global Services back into the public. Should A.G.S. need further bases they are welcome to discuss possible sites with a Yawooian diplomat. Perhaps the Republic of Yawoo should learn that country>company. Edited July 3, 2009 by Arkantos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 The Republic of Yawoo suggest that Yamato learns how embassy ground works, as any embassy ground is considered sovereign soil where the host countries laws don't exist, but rather those of the embassy's country exist therefore within your territory, not all people are under your jurisdiction. So, perhaps, Yamato doesn't know the basics of law?The Republic of Yawoo welcomes Artemis Global Services back into the public. Should A.G.S. need further bases they are welcome to discuss possible sites with a Yawooian diplomat. However, We remind Yawoo that Yamatao has no such embassies for Artemis in their nation, and therefore it is a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 The Republic of Yawoo suggest that Yamato learns how embassy ground works, as any embassy ground is considered sovereign soil where the host countries laws don't exist, but rather those of the embassy's country exist therefore within your territory, not all people are under your jurisdiction. So, perhaps, Yamato doesn't know the basics of law?The Republic of Yawoo welcomes Artemis Global Services back into the public. Should A.G.S. need further bases they are welcome to discuss possible sites with a Yawooian diplomat. We refer you to the fact that since this company is not a nation, they cannot hold an embassy. Hence, any employees of this company at all times within Yamato lands are subject to Yamato law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 We remind you all that this is a company that is obviously making money hand over fist. What we want to know is when Artemis is going to make its stocks publicly held? *gets on the phone with his broker* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 We refer you to the fact that since this company is not a nation, they cannot hold an embassy. Hence, any employees of this company at all times within Yamato lands are subject to Yamato law Unless they are acting as a government that hires out its forces in the capacity of Mercenaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Perhaps the Republic of Yawoo should learn that country>company. Did The Republic of Yawoo say A.G.S. was a country? No. Yawoo was simply disputing Yamato's facts. However, We remind Yawoo that Yamatao has no such embassies for Artemis in their nation, and therefore it is a moot point. TRoY understands Artemis holds no such embassy, but it is always good to remind a nation that embassy's are soveriegn soil and not under a host countries laws. Woe be the country who violates Yawoo's sovereign soil in its embassy. We refer you to the fact that since this company is not a nation, they cannot hold an embassy. Hence, any employees of this company at all times within Yamato lands are subject to Yamato law Answered in the first quote. Edit: added LVN's quote. Edited July 3, 2009 by Yawoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Unless they are acting as a government that hires out its forces in the capacity of Mercenaries. So companies are governments now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) So companies are governments now? He said unless. And yes, companies can function as a government of a sovereign country. This has happened several times before. Edited July 3, 2009 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 That's entirely possible and has happened before on Planet Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 That's entirely possible and has happened before on Planet Bob. Indeed. ADI, and the Wanatet Corporation are but two examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Should Artemis want to establish themselves as a government the Republic of Free Somal will work with them to help them realize this goal. For a small fee of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 To those saying that AGS is not a country's government, you are correct. However, if a country's government hires them as security guards for their embassy or as security guards during an official state visit, then those security guards should be treated the same as nationals from said visiting country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) The Republic of Yawoo suggest that Yamato learns how embassy ground works, as any embassy ground is considered sovereign soil where the host countries laws don't exist, but rather those of the embassy's country exist therefore within your territory, not all people are under your jurisdiction. So, perhaps, Yamato doesn't know the basics of law? Perhaps Yawoo doesn't realize that Yamato has only two active embassies (Hanseatic Commonwealth and Dragonisia), both whom do not usually host such security threats in the first place? If the two countries do hire Artemis as security details for the embassy, the guards would obviously be given diplomatic immunity. When we also consier how Artemis is NOT a government of a soverign country, and Louisiana does not have any diplomatic relations with us, we fail to see how our comment of jurisdiciton within our territories can be false in the first place. Yawoo needs to learn more about the other country before commenting. Edited July 3, 2009 by Sumeragi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Perhaps Yawoo doesn't realize that Yamato has only two active embassies (Hanseatic Commonwealth and Dragonisia), both whom do not usually host such security threats in the first place? If the two countries do hire Artemis as security details for the embassy, the guards would obviously be given diplomatic immunity. When we also consier how Artemis is NOT a government of a soverign country, and Louisiana does not have any diplomatic relations with us, we fail to see how our comment of jurisdiciton within our territories can be false in the first place.Yawoo needs to learn more about the other country before commenting. None-senese, The Republic of Yawoo doesn't need to learn more about Yamato, as Yawoo has never commented on the fact that Yamato has X amount of embassies with X amount of countries, nor about whether or not they are about to recognize A.G.S. as a country or not. Yawoo is not here to debate who Yamato wishes to conduct political affairs with, but is here to debate how far your laws stretch. What Yamato was claiming is false, not all things on their soil are under their laws. Yawoo was saying, and has said more than once now, that it was commenting on the fact that embassies are on the soveriegn property of, not the country where it is located, but by the residents of the embassy. Edited July 3, 2009 by Yawoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 If we are not mistaken a Dragonisian Embassy is in turn a Dragon Empire Embassy. As associate members of Dragon Empire AGS may be issued with diplomatic privileges while working as embassy staff. In such a case an arrest of an AGS employee would raise negative reactions. Of course this is pure speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) None-senese, The Republic of Yawoo doesn't need to learn more about Yamato, as Yawoo has never commented on the fact that Yamato has X amount of embassies with X amount of countries, nor about whether or not they are about to recognize A.G.S. as a country or not. Yawoo is not here to debate who Yamato wishes to conduct political affairs with, but is here to debate how far your laws stretch. What Yamato was claiming is false, not all things on their soil are under their laws. Yawoo was saying, and has said more than once now, that it was commenting on the fact that embassies are on the soveriegn property of, not the country where it is located, but by the residents of the embassy. So does that mean the ambassadors can pull off endless amount of frauds in the nation they are in if the ambassadors' origin nation laws never stated anything about frauds? Edited July 3, 2009 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 So does that mean the ambassadors can pull off endless amount of frauds in the nation they are in if the ambassadors' origin nation laws never stated anything about frauds? A person with diplomatic immunity can be Persona non Grata'd but never arrested or prosecuted by the country where he is a diplomat. The diplomat and the diplomatic bag is inviolable. One can even smuggle drugs with impunity (As some diplomats actually have) as the host nation does not have power to tamper with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 So does that mean the ambassadors can pull off endless amount of frauds in the nation they are in if the ambassadors' origin nation laws never stated anything about frauds? If they are in the nation they'd be subject to diplomatic immunity, would they not? If there weren't any laws in their home nation, then they would not be punished, would they? Does this mean that the country they're in can not punish them? No, they can expel that nation's diplomats from their country if they so choose. These are basic diplomatic principles, why does The Republic of Yawoo have to teach these things? Perhaps Yawoo should start charging a fee for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Marscurian Pakistan welcomes Artemis Global's return, and view them as a necessity to a nation that may not be able to defend itself on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 A person with diplomatic immunity can be Persona non Grata'd but never arrested or prosecuted by the country where he is a diplomat. The diplomat and the diplomatic bag is inviolable. And we already said we would leave out those with diplomatic immunity. It seems some new nations have reading comprehension problems, never mind taking a overly large view of thinking that "territories" was meant to include embassies, which are already extraterritorial entities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Palmieri Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Any Artemis Personnel found on Khmer territory will be thrown in jail prior to trial, then they will be sentenced accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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