Gruthenia Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) In OG's defense, it wasn't they who violated any treaties to be on the 'opposite' side of the war. It was pretty clear a significant portion (a much larger portion than OG represented) of Citadel would be on the side that became known as Karma before the war started. TOP was something of a wild card, while Umbrella, Gremlins, and FCC (I think) were more closely aligned with the Karma side. Even if the others broke the letter of the treaty, I don't think it's much in the spirit of a treaty to peg yourself to a course of action directly opposed to the majority of your blocmates. Edited June 25, 2009 by Gruthenia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I wonder what took so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I wonder what took so long. Agreement on which alliance to allow into Citadel so that Reyne could save face by moving to it rather then one of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) I wonder what took so long. I think its called procedure, discussion, voting, etc... Edited June 25, 2009 by DogeWilliam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Agreement on which alliance to allow into Citadel so that Reyne could save face by moving to it rather then one of the others. Yep, we're Reyne' pawns. YOU CAUGHT US!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Yep, we're Reyne' pawns. YOU CAUGHT US!!! Never said she would control it. They just didn't have the heart to throw out Reyne it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Never said she would control it. They just didn't have the heart to throw out Reyne it seems. Heinous, I've always thought you were a very intelligent poster, but you can't tell me the reason Argent was admitted was so Reyne could join us if they expelled Old Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Heinous, I've always thought you were a very intelligent poster, but you can't tell me the reason Argent was admitted was so Reyne could join us if they expelled Old Guard. You are wrongly connecting the dots Poobah. We saw in Twip that you guys were continuously looking at new alliances for Citadel. None have been let in until finally Argent made the grade. No, Reyne was not the reason for allowing you guys in but you guys being voted in was taken advantage of. That seems to me to be rather obvious considering two of OG's leaders went to you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I wonder what took so long. TOP probably had to vote, and we all know what that's like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 You are wrongly connecting the dots Poobah.We saw in Twip that you guys were continuously looking at new alliances for Citadel. None have been let in until finally Argent made the grade. No, Reyne was not the reason for allowing you guys in but you guys being voted in was taken advantage of. That seems to me to be rather obvious considering two of OG's leaders went to you guys. My mistake then, thank you for the clarification. I'll respectfully disagree that we have been taken advantage of, because that is a matter of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 My mistake then, thank you for the clarification.I'll respectfully disagree that we have been taken advantage of, because that is a matter of perspective. I will agree that you are standing in a position of much more knowledge compared to me. This circulates to my initial post here about the details being kept private, which is of course the right of Citadel, but this will leave open the opportunity for people to speculate and push forth their speculative opinions. Due to truth being 9/10ths perception this can be a dangerous opening to leave to the world community to fill in especially considering what we all saw in Twip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlev Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Good luck to TOP, FCC, Umbrella, and The Gramlins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Dan Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I will agree that you are standing in a position of much more knowledge compared to me. This circulates to my initial post here about the details being kept private, which is of course the right of Citadel, but this will leave open the opportunity for people to speculate and push forth their speculative opinions. Due to truth being 9/10ths perception this can be a dangerous opening to leave to the world community to fill in especially considering what we all saw in Twip. I can say with 100% certainty that there was no conspiracy or planning to keep Reyne in Citadel. It is, as stated, an interesting situation. Sometimes the chips fall where they do and that's all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 The Lux is about two things: friendship and common vision. The second part of that didn't prove to be so true lately, unfortunately. I hope this changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancer Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Saw this coming, no surprise really. Good luck OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 This was a wise and necessary decision by the alliances of Citadel. Good luck in reasserting your unity and coherence as a bloc and leading power on Planet Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokie Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Tis a sad day. I honestly hope Old Guard will regain its former strength and glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Interesting development, good luck OG. Indeed. It was effortless. If you dismiss a bloc member with the ease you seem to require then its not much of a bloc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o ya baby Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Interesting development, good luck OG.If you dismiss a bloc member with the ease you seem to require then its not much of a bloc. Well, when they side with morons in a conflict it doesn't really take much thought to realize they're worthless, now does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Näktergal Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Expected. Very, very expected. But also sad. Maybe even unfortunate, since as others have suggested, it doesn't seem to actually address the real problem, such as it was. If the guilty party goes free, and the people who are punished for the crime erred more through inaction than action, has justice really been served? If said punishment also deprives the entire bloc of about 2 million NS (give or take, post-rebuilding), and accomplishes little of substance, was it a wise decision? Or was it an act fueled by anger and hurt feelings? I still have much love for the people of Citadel, but I think this may ultimately have been a mistake. It may even set a dangerous precedent, since I can think of at least two incidents in the past where the judgment and/or integrity of a Citadel alliance's leadership was called into question, and angry words and hurt feelings absolutely came into play. Where would Citadel be now if either (or both) of those issues had been pushed to the point of punishing an entire alliance with expulsion? I think there were other options that could have been pursued. I'm not sure they were considered as strongly as they should have been, or WOULD have been, if not for people nursing old grudges and looking for payback rather than resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 About damn time, also i cant believe I didnt read this topic yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Also, I await the Gremlins and TOP cancellations. You're going to be waiting a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 You're going to be waiting a very long time.Well, it took you this long to kick out OG so that's no surprise. I look forward to the cancellations 6 months from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newhotness Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 ive seen this coming. finally happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAAAAAAAAGGGG Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I hope OG improves upon themselves to become a reputable alliance once more. I wish them the best of luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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