BikeCat Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 These terms are disgraceful. I'm disgusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentkiller Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 no thanks. I rather like my tech where it is atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooahSoldier Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 ehh. Keep racking up the totals. Technology isn't what makes up the New Pacific Order anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I would like to congratulate Athens and Londo for offering the most severe terms ever attempted in history. I hope the revenge driven egotistic display presenting impossible terms has satiated your appetite. Your side has an odd tendency to place responsibility on whoever has been selected as a messenger of our coalition. First, the peace mode ultimatum was entirely due to the evil machinations of Ragnarok and Gen Lee, and now the surrender terms offered were only from Athens? Both were agreed upon by all alliances at war with the New Pacific Order. You can't both beat on a nation and then expect it to spend almost a year as your tech farm.This was ridiculous. What's ridiculous is the spin attempted by your incompetent Emperor in his announcement. The reparations are easily payable, within a few months, by an alliance that is self-labelled as one of the great economic and organisational powers in the Cyberverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 These terms seem adequate for NPO's crimes. Good show Karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Again, at this point in time? Karma is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkenstein Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Let me show you real math Trotskyrevenge. Cortath could not show us math that refuted our claims. 181 nations paying the reps. 2 slots each, 3 aid cycles per month. 3.258 billion per month, 54,000 tech per month 2.14 months to pay off money amont, 5.56 months to pay off tech amount 120 nations paying the reps. 2 slots each, 3 aid cycles per month. 2.16 billion per month, 36,000 tech per month 2.34 months to pay off money amount, 8.33 months to pay off tech amount Even assuming that you would lose 1/3 of your nations that pay you could pay all of this off in a little over 8 months. This petty PR stunt does nothing. The terms remain as they are, accept them when you are ready. The math does not lie. Edited June 13, 2009 by Hawkenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askani the rotund Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 it looks like an attempt to end us.Those terms are untenable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Your belief that two weeks of war will destroy your economic base when many of those nations have huge warchests and they will keep all their economic improvements and wonders shows your ignorance of economics. Most of those nations would be able to instantly rebuild back to 4-5K infra and be in a position to still bank. It would just knock them down from the upper to the mid ranks.Also the reps are comparable to the terms you gave C&G alliances in a war where we were only were defending allies. 82,000 tech scaled up to your membership count is about 400,000 tech. Athens had to pay 7/8ths of the tech it had on hand. You'd also get to keep all your wonders, a luxury you didn't afford us, again, for only defending our allies against a bogus attack. You are wrong. We seriously considered and analyzed what we expected the military damages to our banks and other high-level NS nations, and then considered what types of economic programs we can develop to pay these terms, within these unique restrictions. Our conclusions was that our nations would be so economically destroyed, they would be unable to rebuild to a level whereby they could even begin to pay off these reparations in anything resembling a reasonable time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I'd also add: 300,000tech is 6000 slots of 50 tech. 6,000/6months/3cycles per month/6slots= 56 nations. Out of 180 that meet the criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 You can't both beat on a nation and then expect it to spend almost a year as your tech farm.This was ridiculous. Never seemed to bother you much in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 lawl, those terms are not harsh for what NPO has done to countless other alliances. Sad to see that NPO still has a giant ego. I thought it was crushed weeks ago but I guess not. Oh well, keep smashing them in Karma! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Ubet Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Thank You! Finally the only thing I didn't like the NPO for was there Moldavi Doctrine.Now I love the NPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 It's called Karma for a reason. NPO of all alliances should not be looking for sympathy when it comes to reparations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 it looks like an attempt to end us.Those terms are untenable You didn't seem to mind when it was NpO being crushed. Why the sudden change of heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Maximus Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Keep strong NPO. Hail Pacifica! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15pilotX Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) These terms seem adequate for NPO's crimes. Good show Karma.Again, it is very ironic that one of our stated "crimes" was huge reps, yet now Karma is demanding exactly that. Good show Karma. Edited June 13, 2009 by F15pilotX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Verteidiger Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Hey Moo, remember when you asked TDSM8 to pay more reps than we had? Remember when you changing the terms and holding us demilitarized for 6 months killed our alliance? Remember when you asked Athens for 6/7 of their tech? Remember when you held GATO in a viceroy for a year? Remember when you perma warred FAN? Remember all the people you forced out of this game? Remember all the homes you destroyed? Shut the $%&@ up. You are playing a pity boat when you deserve none. Im so sick of you guys trying to act like you deserve any better than this. Cows don't have that good of a memory. They just tend to chew their grass and maybe take a little walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Radec Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Let me show you real math Trotskyrevenge. Cortath could not show us math that refuted our claims.181 nations paying the reps. 2 slots each, 3 aid cycles per month. 3.258 billion per month, 54,000 tech per month 2.14 months to pay off money amont, 5.56 months to pay off tech amount 120 nations paying the reps. 2 slots each, 3 aid cycles per month. 2.16 billion per month, 36,000 tech per month 2.34 months to pay off money amount, 8.33 months to pay off tech amount Even assuming that you would lose 1/3 of your nations that pay you could pay all of this off in a little over 8 months. This petty PR stunt does nothing. The terms remain as they are, accept them when you are ready. The math does not lie. But what about 90% of our nations out of peace mode for 14 days?. Forgot about that in your calculations didn't you?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I think Karma has what I like to call a #1 complex. They knock us off the #1 spot for rankings and then they offer us what is easily the largest(and thus #1) amount of reparations ever asked by a single alilance.... GPA, FAN.... Pot, kettle.... Are you really saying it is intelligent to let your secrets be spied away and do nothing about it? Every alliance accepts information, didn't you know? Ask you Emperor. And yes, I know I said earlier that the reps didn't concern me. They still don't. Watching this turn into an NPO pity party is hilarious, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essenia Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Let's also remember that, as presented, the terms allow the nations that come out of peace mode to backcollect after leaving anarchy. They didn't even call for 20 days of war, as they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 no thanks. I rather like my tech where it is atm. Yea im peace mode, amrite? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum T. Gundraw Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 So bleed with the knife in or bleed with the knife out. I'm still interested in knowing if pride will seal the deal for Pacifica or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 300,000 tech and 8,000,000,000 in monetary aid is a lot. I don't understand the reasoning behind refusing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Again, it is very ironic that one of our stated "crimes" was huge reps, yet now Karma is demanding exactly that. Good show Karma. Yeah that is exactly it, what do you not understand? NPO: "Haha I stole your tv! WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY ARE YOU STEALING MY TV??" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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