mhawk Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 miss the part where i said?(emphasis added) This thread obviously was action that was able to be taken, and could have been taken by any government member in TPF that acknoledged that he was no longer a member and that you were taking actions as quickly as could be done.... hence, appropriate action was taken within the deadline. You missed the part where had he demanded a public statement we would easily have obliged, that is not what was stated. Instead it was required he be demasked, which was impossible without his cooperation and for us to remove member privilages, which was also impossible had I left early this morning (ooc there was thunderstorm so i didn't go on my trip). I made this thread in full anticipation for sponge attacking assuming we would not be able to meet his deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I suppose giving a deadline like that might seem malicious, mhawk, but at the same time not everyone takes into account the unexpected variables that you brought up. As straightforward as sponge was, knowing the members of Frostbite, I'm certain if something like that had been brought to their attention they would have been understanding. You guys are handling your business, they're handling theirs. Done and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kung Fu Geeks Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) You missed the part where had he demanded a public statement we would easily have obliged, that is not what was stated. well if it wasn't stated of course i missed it Instead it was required he be demasked, which was impossible without his cooperation and for us to remove member privilages, which was also impossible had I left early this morning (ooc there was thunderstorm so i didn't go on my trip). just reread the logs again. says if he's not truely a member then his access needs to be removed, otherwise we'd declare war. I pretty much see that as you need to prove he's not a member by removing his membership privilges, otherwise how do we know he's not still actually a member? Publicly stating he's not a member and that you are planning to remove those when it is timely possible accomplishes the same thing as the request, even though it wasn't stated as such. I made this thread in full anticipation for sponge attacking assuming we would not be able to meet his deadline. I kinda figured you made this thread to publicly state that slayer wasn't a member in an effort to resolve a situation inside a deadline that you at the time felt you may not be able to reach. I didn't figure you for a man that would waste his time posting something if he fully anticipated that it wouldn't suffice. I could nit pick this to death with you all day long, but it still comes down to the situation was resolved. TPF did what any good alliance does and resolved the situation. tLC did what every alliance in the past has done, except ES was very blunt about it. Well, ES is blunt. thats who he is, and he's not likely to change. You dont like his attitude, fine, thats your right, and i respect it, but please don't act like any other alliance on bob would be a-ok if a rogue still appeared to have all the privileges that are granted only to membership, especially one that was a founder/gov/exgov/whateverslayerwas. EDIT: also, love to continue this, but i gotta get some sleep before work. Edited June 1, 2009 by Kung Fu Geeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) well if it wasn't stated of course i missed it just reread the logs again. says if he's not truely a member then his access needs to be removed, otherwise we'd declare war. I pretty much see that as you need to prove he's not a member by removing his membership privilges, otherwise how do we know he's not still actually a member? Publicly stating he's not a member and that you are planning to remove those when it is timely possible accomplishes the same thing as the request, even though it wasn't stated as such. I kinda figured you made this thread to publicly state that slayer wasn't a member in an effort to resolve a situation inside a deadline that you at the time felt you may not be able to reach. I didn't figure you for a man that would waste his time posting something if he fully anticipated that it wouldn't suffice. I could nit pick this to death with you all day long, but it still comes down to the situation was resolved. TPF did what any good alliance does and resolved the situation. tLC did what every alliance in the past has done, except ES was very blunt about it. Well, ES is blunt. thats who he is, and he's not likely to change. You dont like his attitude, fine, thats your right, and i respect it, but please don't act like any other alliance on bob would be a-ok if a rogue still appeared to have all the privileges that are granted only to membership, especially one that was a founder/gov/exgov/whateverslayerwas. EDIT: also, love to continue this, but i gotta get some sleep before work. I didn't state any alliance would be ok. Slayer was out of the alliance when he posted his resignation and when he switched AA. My point to make was in regards to your post's attitude which was quite demeaning towards us. You and I were allies for nearly two years. Good luck to you guys. Edited June 1, 2009 by mhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) You missed the part where had he demanded a public statement we would easily have obliged, that is not what was stated. Instead it was required he be demasked, which was impossible without his cooperation and for us to remove member privilages, which was also impossible had I left early this morning (ooc there was thunderstorm so i didn't go on my trip). I made this thread in full anticipation for sponge attacking assuming we would not be able to meet his deadline. You really can't be faulted for taking every precaution in regards to your alliance's safety. Given Sponge's blunt manner of speaking, I can see why you'd be worried. While it seems silly to tell you this again, you're not in any danger of being attacked by my alliance and you weren't in any danger after measures were taken to remove the rogue. I wasn't offended by your desire to make absolutely certain of that fact by posting this thread, though perhaps some people were? Honestly, I would probably have done the exact same thing in your situation. I don't understand why either side needs to pick at the points further. Edited June 1, 2009 by Penguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutkase Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hopefully all the processes to change domain go well and without incident. It always takes time to remove a root admin and/or change domain control If need any help, don't hesitate to call us o/ TPF, our brothers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 [OOC] Having been through a rogue Root Admin, which ironically Slayer was involved with helping us remove, I can sympathize with TPF's problems. It really, really sucks to have to move forums.[/OOC] Good luck, TPF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyStroke Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 What I don't understand is how one allaince can dictate who is allowed on another alliances forums (or who has root admin for matter) . . . You may need to study the history of the Continuum-GPA War. There certainly is history that backs up this as a precedent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 You may need to study the history of the Continuum-GPA War. There certainly is history that backs up this as a precedent. Some precedents don't need repeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Mockingbird Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I find it funny that ES is actually !@#$%*ing to TPF about being rogued by slayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Cao Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm sure Slayer will be back in a month, after realising all the rage and bitterness has left him with nothing else in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teriethien Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Some precedents don't need repeating. Without meaning any disrespect to the TPF, I find this incident slightly ironic in light of that war. Probably just me, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmmehhh Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Slayer leaves the game (shocking!). He goes rogue on Sponge, who then very bluntly (again, shocking!) makes sure that Slayer is actually a rogue and not just attacking him while retaining his position in TPF. The situation is resolved.Why is this controversial? Or are we just looking for excuses to attack Frosbite because it's zomg evil Sponge? Delta is right again ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) Normal service resumed by Sponge I see. edit: edit removed to avoid official issues. Edited June 1, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Dear TPF, Save your self righteous whining for another thread. As much as I dislike Sponge (and I really really dislike Sponge) this is an entirely legitimate grievance. It's no fault of Sponge's or Frostbite's that a long time, outspoken member of your alliance decided to go rogue and cause you all this trouble. That is entirely on Slayer's shoulders. Deal with it. All you are accomplishing by keeping this thread going is making yourselves look like oblivious asses. Leave that to AUT. Love, Daikos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) Dear TPF,Save your self righteous whining for another thread. As much as I dislike Sponge (and I really really dislike Sponge) this is an entirely legitimate grievance. It's no fault of Sponge's or Frostbite's that a long time, outspoken member of your alliance decided to go rogue and cause you all this trouble. That is entirely on Slayer's shoulders. Deal with it. All you are accomplishing by keeping this thread going is making yourselves look like oblivious asses. Leave that to AUT. Love, Daikos Dear Daikos, Thank you for informing us of what we stated in the op and several times in this thread. Your Favorite Antagonist, TPF Edited June 1, 2009 by mhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Howard Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I never got on with Slayer. Well thats an understatment to say the least. However regardless of the path he has chosen you can not take away the fact he was an outstanding leader. Wish you luck TPF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 This seems to have been well handled by everyone except Slayer. TPF will probably be better with him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWConner Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I've declined to read this thread to avoid the Slayer-bashing, as I'm sure many of you have done. Slayer was my mentor when I first began Veritas Aequitas and he and TBB took us under their wing. I owe a lot to Slayer for how VA has turned out. Aside from his current actions, I'll always be in debt to Slayer. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) This thread is retarded, it's basicaly Mhawk - This is what happened, so we did this, public notice as we cant actually get it done fully at the moment Frostbite - Ok that is fine, thanks for the help etc Other retards - SPONGE IS EVIL, SLAYER IS EVIL BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW Frostbite/TPF - I see bait from a clear windup merchant, nom nom nom on the bait Good work to TPF for resolving this issue, and frostbite for showing there unity early on. Also good job MK, the might of our war machine meant slayer wouldn't even consider hitting our king. o/ Edited June 1, 2009 by MagicalTrevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I don't understand why either side needs to pick at the points further. Maybe not, but you should certainly get used to it by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 This thread is retarded, it's basicalyMhawk - This is what happened, so we did this, public notice as we cant actually get it done fully at the moment Frostbite - Ok that is fine, thanks for the help etc Other retards - SPONGE IS EVIL, SLAYER IS EVIL BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW Frostbite/TPF - I see bait from a clear windup merchant, nom nom nom on the bait Good work to TPF for resolving this issue, and frostbite for showing there unity early on. Also good job MK, the might of our war machine meant slayer wouldn't even consider hitting our king. o/ This post is a great summary. Should be moved to the OP as a tl;dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer99 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Good work to TPF for resolving this issue, and frostbite for showing there unity early on. Also good job MK, the might of our war machine meant slayer wouldn't even consider hitting our king. o/ I already hit Archon once at the beginning of the war. Besides, I like Archon....my nukes are aimed at those I don't like (and I'm not nuking any Farkers unless nuked first...besides, if they nuke me they won't be able to take my remaining tech). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I already hit Archon once at the beginning of the war. Besides, I like Archon....my nukes are aimed at those I don't like (and I'm not nuking any Farkers unless nuked first...besides, if they nuke me they won't be able to take my remaining tech). I consider it highly probable that Fark would rather nuke you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 That calmer heads in FB prevailed, I am not the slightest bit surprised, you have good leaders. That some of us took umbrage with the Old School fist in your face diplomatic approach directed at us and looked into our history books mirrors and found parallels? You can't be the slightest bit surprised. Fixed that for you, OBM. This thread has gone beyond stupid. Almost makes me long for the 'Request Lock' days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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