Taiwan goes Green

[Ezequiel]

Taiwanese company Taipax presents its Eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car’s tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Taipax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Taiwanese manufacturers to mass produce the car.

As per the claims it runs only on a 300W “Water Energy System” where water is the only fuel.

The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar to that of a normal fuel cell, which uses hydrogen as a fuel. According to Taipax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company’s membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.

A Taiwanese venture company, Taipax, has unveiled a car on that runs on water. All it requires is a litre of water. In fact, any kind of water to be exact, whether its river, rain, sea water, or even Taiwanese tea. Its an electric powered car that runs solely on hydrogen dioxide.

“The main characteristic of this car is that no external input is needed. The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water inside for you to add from time to time,” said the Chief Executive Officer of Taipax, after he proudly announced the company’s invention.

Once water is poured into the water tank at the back of the car, the newly invented energy generator takes out the hydrogen from the water, releases electrons and finally generates electrical power.

“We highly recommend our system since it does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars,” said the CEO, who is hoping to advertise the car.

According to the company, 1 liter of water keeps the car running for about an hour with a speed of 80 kilometers or 50 miles an hour. The company has applied for a patent and is hoping to collaborate with Taiwanese automobile manufacturers to mass manufacture their invention in the very near future. As fuel prices continue rising and people look for greener alternatives, companies globally are trying to come up with alternatives

For channel 4, I'm Gienah Jehu signing off.

OOC: Taiwan is going green. If you would like to work with me to get this car to your nation, contact the CEO.

[Franz Ferdinand]

We wish to meet the driver of this vehicle, we have so much in common.

[Shadowsage]

The Imperium received technology for Electric/Water-Powered vehicles quite some time ago from the United Francoist Empire. It is good to see the proliferation of this clean-power.

[sir jesus]

The inefficiencies of "going green" within an economy are so astounding at this moment in time. Why would you voluntarily stunt economic growth in this fashion?

[LeVentNoir]

Glorious Aoteaora would love to know of the chemical reaction used to separate out the water. We know of electrolytic reactions, which use a DC voltage to energies the molecule, however that comes under the grouping of physical reactions.

Finally, why not simply use a DC shunt-series machine, where you drive the car directly from the battery instead of introducing two addition efficiency impedances, namely the 2H₂0 -> 2H₂ + 0₂ physical reaction and the combustion of the hydrogen (A process topping out a around 40% efficiency!)?

[sir jesus]

Yeah, I've never understand water-run cars, the idea itself just screams bad use of energy.

[Lynneth]

Canada simply uses electric cars. They do not need water or petrol/gas as medium and the power, supplied by fission (soon fusion, as we hope) is much cheaper and makes the entire process more efficient.

And like Aotearoa, we wonder about the exact reactions that your cars use.

Edited May 23, 2009 by Lynneth

[sir jesus]

Canada simply uses electric cars. They do not need water or petrol/gas as medium and the power, supplied by fission (soon fusion, as we hope) is much cheaper and makes the entire process more efficient.

And like Aotearoa, we wonder about the exact reactions that your cars use.

Of all "clean" cars, simple electric models make the most sense. However, to claim that fission electricity is cheaper than oil-based energy would be a false claim. The Melvin Republic has been considering reversion to electric-powered mass transport in the most heavily polluted areas, but the costs would not be well accepted by the public.

[Lynneth]

Of all "clean" cars, simple electric models make the most sense. However, to claim that fission electricity is cheaper than oil-based energy would be a false claim. The Melvin Republic has been considering reversion to electric-powered mass transport in the most heavily polluted areas, but the costs would not be well accepted by the public.

Canada is wealthy enough to fund fission easily enough so that it is indeed almost as cheap as oil-produced power.

However, the closer we get to fusion - which is not far away by now - the cheaper canadian energy will get. One day, our fusion plants may indeed supply not only the entire nation of Canada, but the American Continents.

H2O is cheaper than anything else found on this planet.

[LeVentNoir]

Of all "clean" cars, simple electric models make the most sense. However, to claim that fission electricity is cheaper than oil-based energy would be a false claim. The Melvin Republic has been considering reversion to electric-powered mass transport in the most heavily polluted areas, but the costs would not be well accepted by the public.

To claim that personal transport is cheaper than mass transit is false. Your logic is laudable.

One gallon of oil has 33.41 kilowatt hours. At current prices, one gallon of oil is $2.30, and can be upto $4 in times of high demand. Whereas, electricity is relatively steady, at around 5.5c per kWh. This means for the equivalent amount of energy, electricity is only $1.87. Then take into account DC motors being ~80% efficient, and the fact gasoline motor struggle to 35%, and any economic basis for oil propelled vehicles is blown to bits.

[KaiserMelech Mikhail]

We wish to know more about the specifics of this car. How fast can it go? What is its range and horsepower? Is there a truck version for cargo purposes? How much does it cost?

Edited May 24, 2009 by KaiserMelech Mikhail I

[Ezequiel]

Glorious Aoteaora would love to know of the chemical reaction used to separate out the water. We know of electrolytic reactions, which use a DC voltage to energies the molecule, however that comes under the grouping of physical reactions.

Finally, why not simply use a DC shunt-series machine, where you drive the car directly from the battery instead of introducing two addition efficiency impedances, namely the 2H₂0 -> 2H₂ + 0₂ physical reaction and the combustion of the hydrogen (A process topping out a around 40% efficiency!)?

Once the water is added, be it River, Sea or Fresh water. The motor takes the hydrogen from the water and releases electrons that power the car, nothing more will be released to the public for copying issues.

We found it better to not use the DC shunt-series, we wanted to make our own and it works very efficiently.

We wish to know more about the specifics of this car. How fast can it go? What is its range and horsepower? Is there a truck version for cargo purposes? How much does it cost?

The car can run 80-Cilo (or 50 MPH) for around an hour on 1-litter of water. We unveiled a fuel cell stack with a rated output of 120W and a fuel cell system with a rated output of 300W. In the demonstration, the 120W fuel cell stack was first supplied with water by using a dry-cell battery operated pump. After power was generated, it was operated as a passive system with the pump turned off. The voltage of the fuel cell stack was 25-30V. Because the stack is composed of 40 cells connected in series, it is expected that the output per cell is 3W or higher, the voltage is about 0.5-0.7V, and the current is about 6-7A. The power density is likely to be not less than 30mW/cm2 because the reaction area of the cell is 10 x 10 cm.

The current cost of production of a single car ran by our system is $18,522 Taiwanese Dollars(TD), we plan on bringing it down to $4,630 TD per car for max production.

[king of cochin]

The Kingdom of Cochin orders 25 numbers of this car for testing and evaluation purposes. If found satisfactory, the Department of Transportation many place a more substantial order.

[Ezequiel]

The Kingdom of Cochin orders 25 numbers of this car for testing and evaluation purposes. If found satisfactory, the Department of Transportation many place a more substantial order.

*To The Kingdom of Cochin*

We will produce the cars and we will send them to you when they are done. Where would you like them sent when they are done? The total amount would be $286,400 which you may pay once the cars have been delivered.

CEO of Taipax.

[king of cochin]

We would like them to be sent to Urumqi International Airport. Please inform us on the call sign and type of aircraft you will be using to alert our Air defenses.

[LeVentNoir]

Once the water is added, be it River, Sea or Fresh water. The motor takes the hydrogen from the water and releases electrons that power the car, nothing more will be released to the public for copying issues.

We found it better to not use the DC shunt-series, we wanted to make our own and it works very efficiently.

You are first of all electrolyzing the water to hydrogen and oxygen, then ionising the hydrogen to get a H⁺ ion and a e^- which will be used to power the car.

The ionisation of hydrogen is -13.6eV per atom. This means, to generate a current of one amp, that is one Coulomb of charge passes a point in 1s, you need 1 / 1*10^-19 electrons, or equated, 6.25 × 10¹⁸ ionisations per second. Since each ionisation requres at least 13.6eV of energy, this becomes 13.6184999 joules per amp of current the motor draws. This is an extra 13 joules a second per amp (not including the extra energy needed to power the electrolysis!). There is no way this can be more efficient than running the motor straight off the battery.

The car can run 80-Cilo (or 50 MPH) for around an hour on 1-litter of water. We unveiled a fuel cell stack with a rated output of 120W and a fuel cell system with a rated output of 300W. In the demonstration, the 120W fuel cell stack was first supplied with water by using a dry-cell battery operated pump. After power was generated, it was operated as a passive system with the pump turned off. The voltage of the fuel cell stack was 25-30V. Because the stack is composed of 40 cells connected in series, it is expected that the output per cell is 3W or higher, the voltage is about 0.5-0.7V, and the current is about 6-7A. The power density is likely to be not less than 30mW/cm2 because the reaction area of the cell is 10 x 10 cm.

The current cost of production of a single car ran by our system is $18,522 Taiwanese Dollars(TD), we plan on bringing it down to $4,630 TD per car for max production.

A 120W power supply at 30V would be just on 4 Amps load current, a pathetic amount when any DC motor draws at least 20, and can need upto 200 in transient responses.

Also, to move a car 80 km requires 80,000 m * at least 1 N, or 80KJ, which would imply water has the ablity to be worked to a energy density of over twice that of gasoline!

We recommend firing your scientists, and finding someone who passed second year electrical engineering!

[Sumeragi]

*Message from Tenmu Heavy Inustries*

What a waste of energy in such a small country. Hydrogen should be used only when there are a lot of empty roads.

[sir jesus]

To claim that personal transport is cheaper than mass transit is false. Your logic is laudable.

That was not what I meant. I was referring to reverting the mass-transport that already exists to electricity to reduce mid-city pollution.

[LeVentNoir]

That was not what I meant. I was referring to reverting the mass-transport that already exists to electricity to reduce mid-city pollution.

No matter what use it is, electricity is cheaper per unit energy. Combined with the fact that electric motors are over twice as efficient as gasoline ones, your claim that oil is cheaper falls upon sharp spikes.

[iamthey]

We congratulate Taipex on their discovery, and hope they profit greatly from their discovery.

*Private to Glorious Aoteaora*

While we agree with most everything you have said regarding transportation and energy production, why does it matter what other nations choose to do? If they wish to stick with inefficient fuels and transportation systems simply, its fairly easy to just find a way to profit on the market they create. For example the Alliance while hardly using our own oil beyond military applications readily market it to other nations who are conversely dependent on it. If anything shouldn't your nation be grateful that many nations don't embrace policies similar to your own? Ultimately, it just gives you a strategic advantage both economically and militarily.

Edited May 24, 2009 by iamthey

[LeVentNoir]

We congratulate Taipex on their discovery, and hope they profit greatly from their discovery.

*Private to Glorious Aoteaora*

While we agree with most everything you have said regarding transportation and energy production, why does it matter what other nations choose to do? If they wish to stick with inefficient fuels and transportation systems simply, its fairly easy to just find a way to profit on the market they create. For example the Alliance while hardly using our own oil beyond military applications readily market it to other nations who are conversely dependent on it. If anything shouldn't your nation be grateful that many nations don't embrace policies similar to your own? Ultimately, it just gives you a strategic advantage both economically and militarily.

We would rather have them spend billions of dollars in futile research and development to find they cannot create a economically viable solution on the lines of our own, sending them further behind our own country, as not only can they not compete on normal terms, we have just succeeded in introducing a massive one time penalty to their advancement. Repeat a few times over different projects and we see dire economic retardation.

[iamthey]

We would rather have them spend billions of dollars in futile research and development to find they cannot create a economically viable solution on the lines of our own, sending them further behind our own country, as not only can they not compete on normal terms, we have just succeeded in introducing a massive one time penalty to their advancement. Repeat a few times over different projects and we see dire economic retardation.

(Still private)

Fair I guess we didn't really see it from that angle. Though this does perhaps come at the cost of your own nation. While it drags down competition it also means you lose valuable markets to extract wealth from for your own economy and nation. Perhaps your nation is different, but the Alliance is primarily a producing nation in the sense that we export most of what we manufacture as well as our excess raw materials that we have no domestic use for. To profit our nation basically uses foreign consumer markets as a dumping ground and a source of wealth. This maintains a favorable balance of trade and thus a favorable flow of wealth into our nation and debt to those who we market to. This is contrary to creating a consumer market within our own nation. Such markets essentially functions on a pyramid scheme of constantly increasing rates of consumption. (eg you need more and more consumption in order to grow the overall economy) While initially this funded by personal income it eventually grows to be fronted by the rapid proliferation and use of credit this inevitably leads to rampant debt. This results in unpredictable cycles of economic downturn and prosperity as once debt reaches a certain point the house of cards necessarily collapses. We have deemed this to be a poor system and have opted for our own alternative. This works as these cycles happen at different times for different nations, so while one nation is in a state of economic downturn we could turn to another prospering market and market to them. That being said it suits us for them to be prosperous as the more prosperous they become the even more wealthy we become facilitating their appetites for goods and materials. In this way though harming your competition could also be harmful to your own nation.

Edited May 24, 2009 by iamthey

[Subtleknifewielder]

Canada simply uses electric cars. They do not need water or petrol/gas as medium and the power, supplied by fission (soon fusion, as we hope) is much cheaper and makes the entire process more efficient.

And like Aotearoa, we wonder about the exact reactions that your cars use.

How does Canada overcome the limited power of the batteries of such cars?

OOC: Seriously, the most efficient electric cars out there today can only go about 60 miles before they quit and need to be recharged.

[Lynneth]

How does Canada overcome the limited power of the batteries of such cars?

OOC: Seriously, the most efficient electric cars out there today can only go about 60 miles before they quit and need to be recharged.

There are vastly more efficient types than the batteries you may know, some of which can propel our lightweight cars easily for 300 kilometers or more, depending on the exact car, the battery and several other things.

OOC: Go ask LVN, I'm not an expert, but I know there's the potential for vastly more powerful batteries. Also, I'd imagine Carbon Nanotubes - which I'm using almost everywhere, lol - may play a role there.

[Subtleknifewielder]

There are vastly more efficient types than the batteries you may know, some of which can propel our lightweight cars easily for 300 kilometers or more, depending on the exact car, the battery and several other things.

OOC: Go ask LVN, I'm not an expert, but I know there's the potential for vastly more powerful batteries. Also, I'd imagine Carbon Nanotubes - which I'm using almost everywhere, lol - may play a role there.

Thank you. We were wondering.

OOC: Ah well, I suppose an advanced nation like you would be able to develope better batteries. After all, I automatically assume that since a lot of my territory is desert/badlands, I've developed more efficient Solar Power.