Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Various ministries of the Tahoe Republic have been investigating the nature of the region of the North American continent - Norfolk, Virginia and its environs - which is currently controlled and having power exercised over by the Imperial Alliance. After an exhaustive investigation involving a number of legal reviews, undercover fact-finding and countless hearings, the Tahoe Republic hereby declares the Norfolk Virginia region an illegal colony of the Imperial Alliance under the O'Deaghaidh Doctrine. Colonialism has long since been fought against by the nations of North America and there can be no exception, regardless of the personal relationship with a foreign power, any establishment of a colony is immoral, unjustified and illegal. Subsequently, we request and demand the Imperial Alliance immediately remove its illegal colony from North America with the land being turned over to the regional power, which, in this case would be either the Atlantian Federation or Ardoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Imperial Manchukuo supports anti-imperialism worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 "We wondered how long it would take you to respond to this situation. Your Mapmakers have grown lax." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 No, we are thorough in our investigations to ensure that this was indeed a violation of the O'Deaghaidh Doctrine. The rule of law guides our hand, not charging wildly into the situation without concern for the people this statement will affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Imperial Manchukuo supports anti-imperialism worldwide. Funny as you do support the Occupation of Italy by non-Europeans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 No, we are thorough in our investigations to ensure that this was indeed a violation of the O'Deaghaidh Doctrine. The rule of law guides our hand, not charging wildly into the situation without concern for the people this statement will affect. So why did you rush headlong into the Colstream situation so long ago? You did not bother investigating then. it was a protectorate, not a colony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Funny as you do support the Occupation of Italy by non-Europeans They are a protectorate, and hold valuable cultural heritage as the homeland of the Alvonians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 It is unfortunate, although not surprising that Promised Land is stuck years in the past. We would hope leaders of a sovereign nation are mature enough to move beyond petty differences and what happened in the past. We would also ask you to stay out of what is, by rights and ought to be, an American affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) It is unfortunate, although not surprising that Promised Land is stuck years in the past. We would hope leaders of a sovereign nation are mature enough to move beyond petty differences and what happened in the past.We would also ask you to stay out of what is, by rights and ought to be, an American affair. We are not getting involved, and we are not stuck in the past. We are simply asking what has changed in the time between then and now, why you are now more...lenient. Edited May 22, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebiv Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 They are a protectorate, and hold valuable cultural heritage as the homeland of the Alvonians. "Hah! In Italy, Alvonian culture is merely a trend that happened for a short period of time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) The Imperial Alliance has come to a decision regarding the territory of Norfolk. However before we announce it we have the following points that we wish to be clear. *Upon acquiring the land the territory was entirely undeveloped therefore all infrastructure development was though alliance funding and labor. *Citizens of the region are Alliance citizens and are fully integrated into our society therefore transition into another society may result in a cultural clash. *We have held the territory for over five years without any objection by tahoe investing countless billions into its development under the assumption that we would not be forced to surrender it. *Tahoe indirectly controls the Gibtar through FP which is essentially colonialism. *The land exchange was a one made freely between Ardoria resulting in a treaty and a tech trade, eg the relationship has been mutually prosperous. *Colonialism in this day and age is not really a threat as the "colonized land" is hosted by parties that are potent enough to resist any attempt at military expansion. Therefore by forcing us to surrender norfolk the North American nations are directly causing the following. *The theft of billions in infrastructure and development. *Possible harm to our citizens. *Long term loss of investment due to misleading trends. *The undermining of both my own and ardoria's sovereignty. That being said we shall do the following. *The full evacuation of all citizens from the region shall occur in all due haste. *The dismantling and recycling of any infrastructure shall occur returning the region to its original state of no development. *Military installations and technology in the region shall be destroyed, and all national resources that have been harvested shall be removed. Once this has been completed it will be fully turned over to Ardoria. Its original holder. That being said if I am to be made to give up my land the IA demands that the Italian protectorate of the CI be turned over to the GNR immediately. If one standard must apply here then it must apply in all cases. Edited May 22, 2009 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 This is nothing but forwarding of an agenda by two nations closely related to Greater Nordland. By giving up Norfolk you have likely already been compensated by your allies in exchange for forcing another nation to give up their sovereign land. Furthermore, the Imperial Alliance has no reason to bow to the demands from Tahoe aside from what one would call 'Brownie Points'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) The Tahoe Republic strongly supports the Imperial Alliance's wise and justifiable claim. While losing their investment in Norfolk surely does affect all of America, it is for the better since colonialism can never be justified whether that is in North America or Europe. We reiterate our stance against colonialism and say that foreign involvement in European Italy must cease immediately, just as foreign involvement in American Virginia must also cease. We do not support double standards, not now, not ever. All colonies must end, wherever they are. For the record, the Tahoe Republic holds no ties to Greater Nordland, either officially or unofficially. We are more closely linked in terms of treaties to the Communist International with our MDP with New England. Edited May 22, 2009 by Emperor Mudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 We reiterate our stance against colonialism and say that foreign involvement in European Italy must cease immediately, just as foreign involvement in American Virginia must also cease. We do not support double standards, not now, not ever. All colonies must end, wherever they are. Thank you, may we take this as a sign you wish to surrender your pacific colony of Hawaii to the regional power (us)? Or are you only public spouting your hate of double standards and when it comes to crunch time, you will turn tail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 If all colonies must come to an end, will Tahoe forcibly remove our enclave on the Eastern Seaboard? Will Tahoe surrender Hawaii? Will they remove Rebel Army from South America? If all colonies must end, why not take it one step further and demand the Imperial Alliance must remove their African Colony and Northern Russia Colony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Hawaii is closer to continental Tahoe than it is to New Zealand. Tahoe is as much a pacific power as Aotearoa is. If all colonies must come to an end, will Tahoe forcibly remove our enclave on the Eastern Seaboard? Will Tahoe surrender Hawaii? Will they remove Rebel Army from South America? If all colonies must end, why not take it one step further and demand the Imperial Alliance must remove their African Colony and Northern Russia Colony? Neither New Brunswick nor Hawaii are colonies. We do not morally support RA's continued colony in Equador, but the Doctrine is not retroactive and hence does not legally apply to that case. We do not involve ourselves in any way but ethically in the affairs of other continents. Edited May 22, 2009 by Emperor Mudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Hawaii is closer to continental Tahoe than it is to New Zealand. Tahoe is as much a pacific power as Aotearoa is. Glorious Aotearoa has lands much closer than that. We do not have a continental land mass, and our largest islands are the ones you choose to assume we are centered on. We use and populate much of the pacific where as all you have is a coast line, and over 95% of your land is american, not pacific. 100% of our land is pacific. Neither New Brunswick nor Hawaii are colonies. We do not morally support RA's continued colony in Equador, but the Doctrine is not retroactive and hence does not legally apply to that case. Please explain why they are not colonies. They are lands on another area physically separated from your main one. Thats all it took for you to call Imperial Alliance colonists and force them off your continent. They had full integration, utter investment of the land from the ground up, and you strong armed them off it. Now, stick to your guns, admit you own colonies and ced them to regional powers. Or admit you are a two faced liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The Tahoe Republic strongly supports the Imperial Alliance's wise and justifiable claim. While losing their investment in Norfolk surely does affect all of America, it is for the better since colonialism can never be justified whether that is in North America or Europe.We reiterate our stance against colonialism and say that foreign involvement in European Italy must cease immediately, just as foreign involvement in American Virginia must also cease. We do not support double standards, not now, not ever. All colonies must end, wherever they are. For the record, the Tahoe Republic holds no ties to Greater Nordland, either officially or unofficially. We are more closely linked in terms of treaties to the Communist International with our MDP with New England. Glorious Aotearoa is far better suited to the administration of Hawaii than Tahoe; being much more Pacific Oriented and having much less interest in the American Continents. And trust us, New Brunswick is a Colony; we're not going to disguise it as anything else. If you don't support double standards, why do you say here that all colonies must end and yet not remove the colonies of other continents you yourself have admitted must be dismantled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 The Imperial Alliance has come to a decision regarding the territory of Norfolk. However before we announce it we have the following points that we wish to be clear. *Upon acquiring the land the territory was entirely undeveloped therefore all infrastructure development was though alliance funding and labor. *Citizens of the region are Alliance citizens and are fully integrated into our society therefore transition into another society may result in a cultural clash. *We have held the territory for over five years without any objection by tahoe investing countless billions into its development under the assumption that we would not be forced to surrender it. *Tahoe indirectly controls the Gibtar through FP which is essentially colonialism. *The land exchange was a one made freely between Ardoria resulting in a treaty and a tech trade, eg the relationship has been mutually prosperous. *Colonialism in this day and age is not really a threat as the "colonized land" is hosted by parties that are potent enough to resist any attempt at military expansion. Therefore by forcing us to surrender norfolk the North American nations are directly causing the following. *The theft of billions in infrastructure and development. *Possible harm to our citizens. *Long term loss of investment due to misleading trends. *The undermining of both my own and ardoria's sovereignty. That being said we shall do the following. *The full evacuation of all citizens from the region shall occur in all due haste. *The dismantling and recycling of any infrastructure shall occur returning the region to its original state of no development. *Military installations and technology in the region shall be destroyed, and all national resources that have been harvested shall be removed. Once this has been completed it will be fully turned over to Ardoria. Its original holder. That being said if I am to be made to give up my land the IA demands that the Italian protectorate of the CI be turned over to the GNR immediately. If one standard must apply here then it must apply in all cases. This is a truly wise decision. And because of that, we must applaud them for making such a wise decision. Hawaii is closer to continental Tahoe than it is to New Zealand. Tahoe is as much a pacific power as Aotearoa is.Neither New Brunswick nor Hawaii are colonies. We do not morally support RA's continued colony in Equador, but the Doctrine is not retroactive and hence does not legally apply to that case. Both New Brunswick and Hawaii are a part of Tahoe, and both are in North America. So labelling them 'colonies' would be illogical, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 This is nothing but forwarding of an agenda by two nations closely related to Greater Nordland. By giving up Norfolk you have likely already been compensated by your allies in exchange for forcing another nation to give up their sovereign land.Furthermore, the Imperial Alliance has no reason to bow to the demands from Tahoe aside from what one would call 'Brownie Points'. No nation wishes to lose its territory, we did so because we chose to respect the regional law of the land, which is tahoe's policy. My connection to the GNR has nothing to do with this, but if you feel it does then lets examine that matter. I chose to respect the request of the regional powers that be, considering I had only a small plot of land I didn't feel that I controlled a sizable enough portion of land to consider my nation a resident of that region. So if you consider me an agent of the GNR and the NC, then I suppose you could say the nords held consistent with their anti-colonialist policy and gave up a long established claim in North America. Conversely the CI has decided to impose its control through a military occupation of the Italian peninsula and has decided to defend its colony in the European continent. That being said we encourage the CI to embrace this just example and cede the territory back to the regional leaders that are better able to command the territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Glorious Aotearoa has lands much closer than that. We do not have a continental land mass, and our largest islands are the ones you choose to assume we are centered on. We use and populate much of the pacific where as all you have is a coast line, and over 95% of your land is american, not pacific. 100% of our land is pacific. Please explain why they are not colonies. They are lands on another area physically separated from your main one. Thats all it took for you to call Imperial Alliance colonists and force them off your continent. They had full integration, utter investment of the land from the ground up, and you strong armed them off it. Now, stick to your guns, admit you own colonies and ced them to regional powers. From your capital to Hawaii it is about 4,600 miles. From our capital to Hawaii it is about 2,500 miles. Would Hawaii not be land physically separated from your "main one", that is New Zealand, or does that idea not apply for you. You have islands more than 2,500 miles from your main land. Cuba is less than 2,000 miles from our mainland, and on the same continent indeed. Or how about Canada, that has lands thousands of miles from each other yet geographically connected. We do not feel those on one continent can colonise their own continent. And it is laughable that you should complain about strong arm tactics, when that is all you have ever known. Glorious Aotearoa is far better suited to the administration of Hawaii than Tahoe; being much more Pacific Oriented and having much less interest in the American Continents. And trust us, New Brunswick is a Colony; we're not going to disguise it as anything else. Very well. The Tahoe Republic hereby declares that the Imperium of Man is in violation of the O'Deaghaidh Doctrine regarding their colony of New Brunswick. We call upon the nations of North America, in an attempt to end colonization and establishing justice to assist us in the call to remove the Imperium of Man from New Brunswick and turn it over to a regional power such as Canada or New England. We feel New England especially would be suited to administering the lands in question. Edited May 22, 2009 by Emperor Mudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 It is truly deplorable how the Imperial Alliance can jump from claiming to not be associated with the Nords to demanding the CI (which if memory serves does not control Italy; one of their members exercises control) leave with their tail between their legs. The Imperial Alliance has no need for removing itself from North America without leaving the other continents to which it doesn't belong. And New Brunswick, for the record, is an Imperial Province. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) OOC: Nevermind, I fail >_< Edited May 22, 2009 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Hm, isn't New Brunswick a full-fledged State of the Tahoe Republic, like all the other States in the aforementioned country? New Brunswick is a colony of the IMperium of Man. Nova Scotia, its neighbor, is a full fledged state in the Union of the Tahoe Republic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 New Brunswick is a colony of the IMperium of Man. A Colony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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