Sumeragi Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 We wish to bring the Kyokujitsujins in the Pax Pacific Protectorate back to Yamato. Shall you allow our transports to enter the area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Glorious Aotearoa will shoot your ships on sight. We hold no love for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Unicorn Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 We have reason to believe that there were no Kyokujitsujins situated on the Phillippines when we moved peacekeeping troops into the area. We question why you would ask us this now, as we have had the area under Pax Pacifica protectorate for a while now... We would like hard evidence to support your claim. Or, as a Pacific Central Nation, we will refuse to allow your transports into the area. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: MU, Cata specifically mentioned IC that Mindanao was on the verge of being independent, with a Kyokujitsujin majority. Unless you're going to commit genocide, they are obviously there. And no, I will not recognize occupier's right. It's been abused enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Perhaps a third party could transport this peoples away should they choose to leave? This saves the ships of Yamato being blown out of the water and a possible long term problem for the future of Mindanao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Unicorn Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: MU, Cata specifically mentioned IC that Mindanao was on the verge of being independent, with a Kyokujitsujin majority. Unless you're going to commit genocide, they are obviously there.And no, I will not recognize occupier's right. It's been abused enough. OOC: I see that, I had a third party point this out to me. My bad. If we are all willing to co-operate... A third party transporter could be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Perhaps a third party could transport this peoples away should they choose to leave? This saves the ships of Yamato being blown out of the water and a possible long term problem for the future of Mindanao. If the people wish to form their own govt, they do not need to leave, as we are willing to leave this land once stablity is ensured and government is commenced. From what we see, most people here wish to regain some sense of normal after the destruction and insecurity of the fall of their previous govt. OOC: MU: Keep it IC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) I just want to remind everyone that the spirit of cooperation can overcome all obstacles. Let's get around these niggling problem and get it resolved so that the day to day affairs of the Mindanao Island are not thrown into chaos by civil disorder. Edited May 21, 2009 by Firestorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 We will certainly pay for the transport by third parties.. All we ask is that Pax Pacifica allows the Kyokujitsujins to leave, to come back to the bosom of the Homeland. OOC: No problem MU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) I just want to remind everyone that the spirit of cooperation can overcome all obstacles. Let's get around these niggling problem and get it resolved so that the day to day affairs of the Phillipine Islands are thrown into chaos by civil disorder. No thank you. Your expressed wish to see anarchy retake these islands is enough to cease communication, however we will let this go. But, you shall have to make sure that you stay a reasonable distance away from that land. We will not have rogue nations interfering with the good work and fledgeling governments that have come about due to the restoration of order. We will certainly pay for the transport by third parties.. All we ask is that Pax Pacifica allows the Kyokujitsujins to leave, to come back to the bosom of the Homeland. None of them have expressed any wish to leave their homes. Maybe removal of the Philippines govt was all they wanted. Edited May 21, 2009 by LeVentNoir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) I do believe you'll be quite safe from the predations of the Somal Rowboat fleet all the way out there in the Pacific ocean my good man. Though it does make some sense that these people would not want to leave their homes that they've worked so long to build. Perhaps they should be allowed to make their decision under the supervision of the international community?As for wanting to perpetuate chaos on the Island of Mindanao? You are absolutely wrong in this matter. I merely wish these people to have the right to go where they please. If they don't want to go to Yamato, and I can see why they wouldn't given that they have lived on Mindanao in their own communities for quite sometime then they shouldn't be troubled any further. However, what would it hurt to allow an international team to present this choice to them? (OOC: As LVN does apparently control the area he does have the right to determine who comes and goes.) Edited May 21, 2009 by Firestorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I do believe you'll be quite safe from the predations of the Somal Rowboat fleet all the way out there in the Pacific ocean my good man. Though it does make some sense that these people would not want to leave their homes that they've worked so long to build. Perhaps they should be allowed to make their decision under the supervision of the international community?As for wanting to perpetuate chaos on the Island of Mindanao? You are absolutely wrong in this matter. I merely wish these people to have the right to go where they please. If they don't want to go to Yamato, and I can see why they wouldn't given that they have lived on Mindanao in their own communities for quite sometime then they should be troubled any further. However, what would it hurt to allow an international team to present this choice to them? There is no need for 'supervision'. We offer no advice unasked, and try to be as low impact as possible. Interviews have found that the wish to gain independence was for better local governance, and more community interlinking with the underlying issues found. The racial difference was the most obvious of these, but with the fall of central government, several groups have been discussing how to rise to local governance on the backs of communities support, and we approve of these sorts of movements. We have not restricted anyones movement in or from secure zones, although for public safety we have halted movement into unstable areas. Commercial flights have been running for at least a week, although traffic volumes are less than 10% of pre civil war levels, despite in some cases free flights to and from some areas. From this we can deduct all, or nearly all that wished to leave in desperation have, and those that are staying are still here. We appreciate that these people live here, grew up here, and have their communities and lively hoods here, and do not wish internation spin doctors to lie to them to seduce them away from what seems to be their best chance and forging their own future in their own nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Good sir, I have no doubts of this as it makes no sense to me that these people would want to leave their homes. They have raised and buried members of their family on that island. However, somewhere in all of this I do believe that a third party might seem less intimidating to the people in question. I'm not claiming you are brutalizing them or anything of that sort. However, lets be realistic and bear in mind that your forces, no matter how good their intentions are, represent the latest of their occupiers. I truly believe that you have their best intentions at heart, but I wonder if they know that? I wonder if they might respond better to a third party? Any team to Mindanao Island should conduct their operations with the utmost transparency. They shouldn't favor any specific option and they should take great pains to describe what will happen with both of the choices presented to them. This includes the choice of staying and what your government will do to ensure their political independence as well. If you agree to this I'll personally lead a team that will conduct a survey of the major population centers on Mindanao Island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (OOC: As LVN does apparently control the area he does have the right to determine who comes and goes.) *Private* “Is GA using Wellington's brainwashing drug? How can the Mikyokujins tolerate the situation?” OOC: Talk about Catch-22. After blocking my right to RP MY ethnic group, LVN does an impoosible RP. No Kyokujitsujin would ever want to be under the RP LVN. Sad that the player can also be the active prosecutor/judge. Also, thanks Firestorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk11 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) As an independent third party and frequent observer of the KT diaspora being scooped up and transported "home" every so often without so much as a hello, the Elective Dictatorship of Palintine has a few questions about the process. 1) Are the people actually contacting the government of Yamato in order to be transported back to their own country? 2) How come civilians do not just use private transportation (such as civilian airlines and boats) to emigrate like the rest of the world? Why must the Yamato government be responsible for the DKT expatriots and refugees if they wish to have no allegience with the former government? 3) Why is it the entire population always asks en masse? Is this some kind of KT protocol ("If seperated from mainland, call this number" or "If found, return to x")? We will probably have more questions. Also, the Elective Dictatorship of Palintine has changed its factbook entry on Yamato to note that the population is mainly nomadic across the Pacific. Edited May 21, 2009 by hawk_11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: I didn't know there were still Kyokujitsujins still alive, I thought Tahoe wiped the culture to extinction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) OOC: I didn't know there were still Kyokujitsujins still alive, I thought Tahoe wiped the culture to extinction? OOC: pretty close. 'cept sumeragi still operates under some idea that every single person escaped before the nukes began falling; in less than a week Edited May 21, 2009 by Lord Frost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Seb Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: I'm sorry, it doesn't matter if you made the ethnic group or not, you're not in control of them anymore. They are not in your nation and not yours to RP. You can't even dictate what they would or wouldn't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: I'm sorry, it doesn't matter if you made the ethnic group or not, you're not in control of them anymore. They are not in your nation and not yours to RP. You can't even dictate what they would or wouldn't do. OOC: So if I invaded your territory, smashed your military and took your land as mine I could do what I want with your people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: So if I invaded your territory, smashed your military and took your land as mine I could do what I want with your people? OOC: That's how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OOC: That's how it works. OOC: I didn't know that thanks for telling me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 1) Are the people actually contacting the government of Yamato in order to be transported back to their own country?2) How come civilians do not just use private transportation (such as civilian airlines and boats) to emigrate like the rest of the world? Why must the Yamato government be responsible for the DKT expatriots and refugees if they wish to have no allegience with the former government? OOC: According to the current rules, I cannot RP the actions of my ethnic group, even if Yamato is the successor of KT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 As an independent third party and frequent observer of the KT diaspora being scooped up and transported "home" every so often without so much as a hello, the Elective Dictatorship of Palintine has a few questions about the process.1) Are the people actually contacting the government of Yamato in order to be transported back to their own country? 2) How come civilians do not just use private transportation (such as civilian airlines and boats) to emigrate like the rest of the world? Why must the Yamato government be responsible for the DKT expatriots and refugees if they wish to have no allegience with the former government? 3) Why is it the entire population always asks en masse? Is this some kind of KT protocol ("If seperated from mainland, call this number" or "If found, return to x")? We will probably have more questions. Also, the Elective Dictatorship of Palintine has changed its factbook entry on Yamato to note that the population is mainly nomadic across the Pacific. The DKT expatriots you sepak of, at least here, requested a while back to leave. As we are a free nation, we did not stop them. If they wish to leave, despite all they have built here...why would those in less developed areas wish to stay where they are? They always ask "en masse," as you so quaintly put it, because they do often for their little communities and their own leaders--though they still abide by the laws, they tend to, other than in work-related cases or in times of national emergency, prefer their own company. OOC: I didn't know there were still Kyokujitsujins still alive, I thought Tahoe wiped the culture to extinction? OOC: pretty close. 'cept sumeragi still operates under some idea that every single person escaped before the nukes began falling; in less than a week OOC: Correction. Even Mudd acknowledges that about half of them survived (anywhere from 20 to 30 million) OOC: So if I invaded your territory, smashed your military and took your land as mine I could do what I want with your people? OOC: That's how it works. OOC: Actually, it only works that way if the conquered person gives up. Civilian resistance can still be RP'd, either passively or violently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChris Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 THe Philippines Protectorate has already been granted to the HRCE once the region is stabilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Unicorn Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 THe Philippines Protectorate has already been granted to the HRCE once the region is stabilized. No, only part of it is yours. The rest of it is still under protectorate, and if you saw the thread about your claim, you'd know what we've given you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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