I don't like Mondays

[Ammon]

Music to read by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GirAGIql7z0

"i played it too win for a while too, and the philosophy that won the game was blowing !@#$ up. IMO no one had a better grasp of that philosophy that Murder Inc.

Judgement was single handedly the worst thing to happen to this game imo. Its when alliances stopped trying to win the game, instead they decided to either remain quite as a mouse or envelope themselves in a myriad of treaties to ensure their safety. When Murder Inc. was destroyed a good majority of Tournament Edition died with it. Say what you will about MI, we knew what we were doing. Internally there was not enough people willing to take command, and those in command got lazy as their attention drifted to SE and we let MI die, I let Murder Inc die. Even by the end of the round with MI in tatters we still hovered somewhere around 100 members iirc. It was my complete lack of interest in getting members ready for reset that killed MI and its been unable to recover since.

I think if you look back on the rounds, there are a very few select alliances that actually made the game progress politically and militarily. Murder Inc, IDIOT, NAAC are the only ones i can think of. Whoever decided to organize the Judgment coalition deserves credit, they took down the beast using joke announcements as rallying cries for lesser alliances to join their cause.

Now alliances just go "hur hur we can push the DoW buttong an make an announcement about it" there is little skill in that. Its not very hard to organize an effective update blitz or to create target lists. I miss the days of trying to get allies into the war. I miss The Prometheus Project. Murder inc/TPA/Warlordz/Ubercon had a vicegrip on this game politics. It was unfortunate that we were destroyed from within.

Its a sad state of affairs when the most interesting thing to do is make fun of and bait a young, naive, alliance leader, making them look like a fool at every turn. maybe one day this will change but i doubt it, the alliances at the top are too complacent and not willing to live up to the responsibility of making this game turn.

/end incoherent and off topic rant "

Elbo

It is not that I disagree with you, but I guess I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9JYq-mXprw

You may be over thinking it.

The name of the game is blowing chit up.

Edited May 21, 2009 by Ammon

[KenoDurkster]

First and nicely said LE needs to ally itself to all of Green and lead green to victory.

[Varianz]

Methinks someone's gonna cry when they wake up tomorrow morning and see what state their nation is in.

[Ammon]

We don't deal in Nations.

[KenoDurkster]

if that was to be RE then lol u cant really do much more to my nation xD

[Ammon]

" Its not very hard to organize an effective update blitz or to create target lists."

It is not very hard to create a target list; one guy can do that. Organizing an effective update blitz on the other hand is kind of like this:

[JamesdaLeo]

Now alliances just go "hur hur we can push the DoW buttong an make an announcement about it" there is little skill in that. Its not very hard to organize an effective update blitz or to create target lists. I miss the days of trying to get allies into the war. I miss The Prometheus Project.

agreed

[JimKongIl]

whats the point of this thread? You closed LE members from speaking in the thread this comment came from http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=57633 and now you decide you want to reply so you just start a new thread? Its the same conversation.

[Ammon]

His post was deserving of a new thread. It is a good topic for discussion.

[Kaiser Indie]

This is almost as much asshattery as UN:EE style.

[Ammon]

I will take that as a personal insult, Sir.

[Arrnea]

I can see no reasons for this, because there are no reasons

What reason do YOU need to die?

[TheEraser]

Music to read by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GirAGIql7z0

"i played it too win for a while too, and the philosophy that won the game was blowing !@#$ up. IMO no one had a better grasp of that philosophy that Murder Inc.

Judgement was single handedly the worst thing to happen to this game imo. Its when alliances stopped trying to win the game, instead they decided to either remain quite as a mouse or envelope themselves in a myriad of treaties to ensure their safety. When Murder Inc. was destroyed a good majority of Tournament Edition died with it. Say what you will about MI, we knew what we were doing. Internally there was not enough people willing to take command, and those in command got lazy as their attention drifted to SE and we let MI die, I let Murder Inc die. Even by the end of the round with MI in tatters we still hovered somewhere around 100 members iirc. It was my complete lack of interest in getting members ready for reset that killed MI and its been unable to recover since.

I think if you look back on the rounds, there are a very few select alliances that actually made the game progress politically and militarily. Murder Inc, IDIOT, NAAC are the only ones i can think of. Whoever decided to organize the Judgment coalition deserves credit, they took down the beast using joke announcements as rallying cries for lesser alliances to join their cause.

Now alliances just go "hur hur we can push the DoW buttong an make an announcement about it" there is little skill in that. Its not very hard to organize an effective update blitz or to create target lists. I miss the days of trying to get allies into the war. I miss The Prometheus Project. Murder inc/TPA/Warlordz/Ubercon had a vicegrip on this game politics. It was unfortunate that we were destroyed from within.

Its a sad state of affairs when the most interesting thing to do is make fun of and bait a young, naive, alliance leader, making them look like a fool at every turn. maybe one day this will change but i doubt it, the alliances at the top are too complacent and not willing to live up to the responsibility of making this game turn.

/end incoherent and off topic rant "

Elbo

It is not that I disagree with you, but I guess I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9JYq-mXprw

You may be over thinking it.

The name of the game is blowing chit up.

its a good thing you actually addressed the points i made. maybe instead of posting youtube links you could actually adress things because i can sssure you that i am not over thinking things. I've been more or less evaluating TE for the last round and a half, why it changed for the worse, how it got there and if its at all salvageable.

if you're going to try and call me out, at least bring some substance to the party

[Ammon]

Sure, that is why I posted it.

The part of the game you are concentrating on is actually not a programmed aspect of the game. You are playing at politics using CN as excuse. There is nothing wrong with this, in fact many people enjoy that aspect in lieu of playing the actual game. I do not, in so far as politics is involved.

Since politics and coordination each require cooperation amongst groups of people, the only difference between my chosen method of play and yours is that I use the coordination to advance the actual gameplay, while you, as noted, use the game to advance board politics.

edited for clairty

Edited May 21, 2009 by Ammon

[JimKongIl]

Ammon, Since you chose to reopen this topic to LE input, will you please answer the question from Owned-You.

Just out of curiosity...what were the specific reasons for attacking IDIOT? I don't mean to sound hostile, as that isn't my intent...but if it's citing "Fun" or something else equally ambiguous. Then it will cause me to seriously question the reasons for this war.

Thank you in advance to answering my question.

And can you or Tracer clarify his comments that a thread that had nothing to do with IDIOT and had no one in IDIOT post in it was used as an excuse to attack us.

EDIT- Also please tell me who in IDIOT threatened you prior to you attacking us and what bluff are you referring to? Are you guys playing the same game we are?

I think it might have been this thread that put MI or Idiots or whatever they're called

on our "to do" list early round 5:

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54594

We've had some great fights with some class acts the past 2 rounds. We've never run into

a situation like this that is all talk and threats, yet when attacked they don't fight, dump all their

troops, and cry victim. No Elbo, it wasn't a tech raid. I guess we called your bluff, that and

we don't like your mouthy style. Hope you cheer up pal....

Additionally you can address the comment you made that LE does not attack alliances smaller than them when they did it this round and the last. It sounds like you are trying to prevent your alliance from getting pounded by bigger entities by propagating the lie that you would not engage in such behavior and it would be unfair for that tactic to be used against you.

As a rule, Lafayette Escadrille (as an alliance) will only attack alliances that are bigger than us.

Edited May 21, 2009 by JimKongIl

[Kaiser Indie]

Lolpwnt.

I will take that as a personal insult, Sir.

Please do, it was meant that way.

[TheEraser]

Sure, that is why I posted it.

The part of the game you are concentrating on is actually not a programmed aspect of the game. You are playing at politics using CN as excuse. There is nothing wrong with this, in fact many people enjoy that aspect in lieu of playing the actual game. I do not, in so far as politics is involved.

Since politics and coordination each require cooperation amongst groups of people, the only difference between my chosen method of play and yours is that I use the coordination to advance the actual gameplay, while you, as noted, use the game to advance board politics.

edited for clairty

so b/c I play it differently, i'm overthinking the game?

furthermore you have failed to prove anything i've said wrong.

so, as i've stated, if you're going to call me out at least bring some relevant substance to the table

[Ammon]

I swear talking on this board is like playing cards with my brother's kids.

I am not trying to prove you WRONG. There is no wrong way to play.

Jim (may I call you Jim?), I answered your question in depth, that is why there was nothing more for Lafayette Escadrille to say in that thread.

[Owned-You]

Well this thread could become interesting. I'll be lurking...and waiting.

[Elric]

I swear talking on this board is like playing cards with my brother's kids.

Nice quote. Great movie.

[JimKongIl]

I swear talking on this board is like playing cards with my brother's kids.

I am not trying to prove you WRONG. There is no wrong way to play.

Jim (may I call you Jim?), I answered your question in depth, that is why there was nothing more for Lafayette Escadrille to say in that thread.

Your brother's kids ask you to clarify inconsistent statements too?

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and went back to the original thread to see if I had in fact missed you or Tracer's answers. I didn't. I'd like those 10 min of my life back.

You both spoke of threats that IDIOT made towards LE but you both know that is false. The only relevant communication between our alliances was as round 4 came to a close my message to you expressing a desire for good relations. You didn't even give me the respect of a response. The message was received loud and clear.

Again, I will reiterate that you do NOT need an excuse to attack someone in TE in my opinion but when you come on the forums using blatant misrepresentations as your CB you deserve to be called out for it.

Yes, you may call me Jim.

[Ammon]

OK, Jim, I will go over this real slow and in detail:

Lafayette Escadrille does not support, encourage, or allow to pass without challenge certain demands made by you in the name of your alliance, to wit:

"IDIOT is a raiding and forced recruitment alliance"

"If they change their AA to IDIOT all attacks cease immediately. If they fight back they will be met with full arsenal."

Expect to be attacked again if this continues to be your modus operandi, simply because we do not like it.

Now, is that clear enough for you Jim?

[JimKongIl]

OK, Jim, I will go over this real slow and in detail:

Lafayette Escadrille does not support, encourage, or allow to pass without challenge certain demands made by you in the name of your alliance, to wit:

"IDIOT is a raiding and forced recruitment alliance"

"If they change their AA to IDIOT all attacks cease immediately. If they fight back they will be met with full arsenal."

Expect to be attacked again if this continues to be your modus operandi, simply because we do not like it.

Now, is that clear enough for you Jim?

So you did this in defense of the populace of TE which you declared war on in this thread http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=57475 ? Some sort of love hate relationship? Even though it is irrelevant, I challenge you to produce one example of forced recruitment by IDIOT. It didn't happen, not one time.

As for the other questions I had but don't expect a straight answer... What threats towards LE by IDIOT are you and Tracer referring to? Why is a thread without a post by an IDIOT member used as an excuse to attack us? Why do say you don't attack smaller alliances when you did it in this and the previous round?

What I'm getting at and what you do not want to admit is that your reasons for attacking us had to do solely with petty round 4 grudges.

At this point I honestly don't care anymore. I think I have proved my point. What's done is done and I'm fairly confident LE will get what it deserves this round.

I think the best course of action might be to take a page from the GGA play book and just stop posting because every time you guys do it seems you just dig a deeper hole for yourselves.

[Ammon]

We declared war on every nation in the game in that thread, Jim. IDIOT has never been a threat, and those quotes (by you, Jim) were specifically directed to round 5.

There is a remedy built into this game to deal with actions by others that you do not approve of, Jim: WAR!

As has been stated, Jim, we welcome all challenges, and accept responsibility for our own actions. We are here to blow chit up, and if our own chit gets blown up in the process, expect nothing from us but a, "Well done, good fight!"

[JimKongIl]

We declared war on every nation in the game in that thread, Jim.

Brilliant move. Will you be ready when every nation in the game defends themselves?