Sumeragi Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Yamato would like to sell exchange its Inner Chinese territories of Hubei and Anhui for coastal territory around the Pacific Rim. Frankly, we do not like ruling over large ethnic groups different from ours, so please take this into consideration when bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Yamato would like to sell exchange its Inner Chinese territories of Hubei and Anhui for coastal territory around the Pacific Rim. Frankly, we do not like ruling over large ethnic groups different from ours, so please take this into consideration when bidding. We wonder who would be so stupid to sell / exchange land with you. We find this highly suspicious, and wonder why you would want to give up those lands apart from what seems to be some kind of racist "we do not want to live with the sub humans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 There is this thing called logistics. It is already taxing to provide aid for a population that is more than twice the size of our Home Islands, and the difficulties have been compounded by the separation by land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 There is this thing called logistics. It is already taxing to provide aid for a population that is more than twice the size of our Home Islands, and the difficulties have been compounded by the separation by land. Right, you admit to abandoning them due to the fact they are a different ethnicity to your controlling group. Many nations before you have had plenty of resources to support those people with just the land they are on, and you claim the obviously false assertion that you cannot provide for them. Cannot or will-not? Your nation is looking more and more like it wishes racial separation, and starving people of a different race borders on genocide, and definitely falls into human rights violations. Finally if that was you only concern, a simple land handover would be in order or a plea to the world for aid. Obviously you want 'paying' for us to take these people of your hands. Glorious Aotearoa call upon the respectable nations of the world to condemn this move, and send inspectors and aid workers to help Yamato set up farms and other infrastructure for their people on mainland asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Right, you admit to abandoning them due to the fact they are a different ethnicity to your controlling group. Many nations before you have had plenty of resources to support those people with just the land they are on, and you claim the obviously false assertion that you cannot provide for them.Cannot or will-not? Your nation is looking more and more like it wishes racial separation, and starving people of a different race borders on genocide, and definitely falls into human rights violations. Finally if that was you only concern, a simple land handover would be in order or a plea to the world for aid. Obviously you want 'paying' for us to take these people of your hands. Glorious Aotearoa call upon the respectable nations of the world to condemn this move, and send inspectors and aid workers to help Yamato set up farms and other infrastructure for their people on mainland asia. Perhaps they really cannot help them, and simply use the reasons you state as an excuse. OOC: Seriously, guys, she get's flamed for trying to do too much, and now she gets it again when she tries to cut back? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, seems to be what this situation is turning into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Perhaps they really cannot help them, and simply use the reasons you state as an excuse.OOC: Seriously, guys, she get's flamed for trying to do too much, and now she gets it again when she tries to cut back? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, seems to be what this situation is turning into. Then they would be moving to simply handoff the land and people. If they wanted to maneuver into a better geopolitical position, while removing unwanted elements from their society they would be doing what they are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Then they would be moving to simply handoff the land and people. If they wanted to maneuver into a better geopolitical position, while removing unwanted elements from their society they would be doing what they are now. They did ask you to take those reasons into consideration when bidding. They probably aren't expecting to get much for it anyway. Perhaps they are low of funds and desperate to obtain it any way they can? You have to learn to read between the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Dranagg would be willing to exchanging Antarctic coast line we have recently attained. Local populations are small, and consist of the remnants of the Terrestian empire. Shares a border with The Helzan who stabilized the Eastern half of the Terrestian empire, and the border Dranagg wishes to keep on the Ross Sea. The land has access to the Southern Pacific and Eastern Pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Their motivations are irreverent all that matters is the exchange itself. Who cares if they are just doing it to be racist, and to gain a political advantage. Consider that if you like when you sell them land but it isn't a reason to internationally berate them. If you don't like the deal then don't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) If they are handing off their people to a potential tyrant, we should damn well care! You cannot just sell a country to the highest bidder because they are of an "unpure race". If this was only a few years ago you and your entire would be suffering under bombs, but it seems we have grown a tolerance for racism and hate. ooc: you = yamato Edited May 15, 2009 by Sargun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk11 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 OOC: Alright guys, enough of that. I'd consider Sumeragi's reasons fine for the following reasons: 1) She doesn't want to get nothing for something, and since I rejected her in that one thread she needs to find someone else to exchange with. 2) My guess for her getting Pacific Rim land is because her nation is an island. Seriously, think about it. The reasoning there is obvious. All she wants is a simple land trade this time. ICly I act outraged over it because it's the second time my government had to deal with Yamato land-disputes, but OOC this is entirely reasonable....though I'd have phrased it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 The Imperial Manchukuo People's Republic, as a Han nation, would like to bid money transfer for the Yamato's Chinese territories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 OOC: Alright guys, enough of that. I'd consider Sumeragi's reasons fine for the following reasons:1) She doesn't want to get nothing for something, and since I rejected her in that one thread she needs to find someone else to exchange with. 2) My guess for her getting Pacific Rim land is because her nation is an island. Seriously, think about it. The reasoning there is obvious. All she wants is a simple land trade this time. ICly I act outraged over it because it's the second time my government had to deal with Yamato land-disputes, but OOC this is entirely reasonable....though I'd have phrased it better. OOC: Notice how my outrage is IC only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 If they are handing off their people to a potential tyrant, we should damn well care! You cannot just sell a country to the highest bidder because they are of an "unpure race". If this was only a few years ago you and your entire would be suffering under bombs, but it seems we have grown a tolerance for racism and hate. Pragmatically speaking I think you have it wrong. If the nation in question is indeed racist and not providing for the people in region for that reason then it would be in the best interest of those people if you do care about them to purchase the land and trade the nation in question a piece of territory with inhabitants that are closer to their own ethnic group (thus ensuring the same racism doesn't occur again). The worst thing to do (looking at it from your perspective) would be to verbally inflame them then refuse to purchase the territory sealing the fates of those people to a now angry "tyrant". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Pragmatically speaking I think you have it wrong. If the nation in question is indeed racist and not providing for the people in region for that reason then it would be in the best interest of those people if you do care about them to purchase the land and trade the nation in question a piece of territory with inhabitants that are closer to their own ethnic group (thus ensuring the same racism doesn't occur again). The worst thing to do (looking at it from your perspective) would be to verbally inflame them then refuse to purchase the territory sealing the fates of those people to a now angry "tyrant". OOC: OHo...I'd sig that...but I don;t have room... IC: The Imperial Alliance's logic in this matter is impeccable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Pragmatically speaking I think you have it wrong. If the nation in question is indeed racist and not providing for the people in region for that reason then it would be in the best interest of those people if you do care about them to purchase the land and trade the nation in question a piece of territory with inhabitants that are closer to their own ethnic group (thus ensuring the same racism doesn't occur again). The worst thing to do (looking at it from your perspective) would be to verbally inflame them then refuse to purchase the territory sealing the fates of those people to a now angry "tyrant". My suggestion, contrary to your flawed opinion, was to destroy the flawed, racist and mentally incompetent Yamato government. This is not a way to hand off another ethnic group, this is a blatant land change so that they can put their own flawed, racist and mentally incompetent ideals in another people. They want nothing more than total tyranny over a group of people that they will soon consider sub-human anyway. The worst thing to do (looking at it from everyone's perspective) would be to allow this government to get away with their blatant failure of a job without an consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Hmmm, the barbarian small pathetic subhuman Kyokujitsans wish to get rid of a supposedly lesser ethnic group? We wonder how the dredges of the human gene pool found time away from bashing each other in the head with rocks to make this announcement. On that note, we will be more than willing to take this land off your hands and give it to a better nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 My suggestion, contrary to your flawed opinion, was to destroy the flawed, racist and mentally incompetent Yamato government. This is not a way to hand off another ethnic group, this is a blatant land change so that they can put their own flawed, racist and mentally incompetent ideals in another people. They want nothing more than total tyranny over a group of people that they will soon consider sub-human anyway. The worst thing to do (looking at it from everyone's perspective) would be to allow this government to get away with their blatant failure of a job without an consequences. If that were true...then why are they trying to get rid of the land that contains 'sub-humans' as you so quaintly put it? Wouldn't they, instead of offering the land to the highest bidder, come down on the people in the region with an iron fist? Your logic is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 If that were true...then why are they trying to get rid of the land that contains 'sub-humans' as you so quaintly put it? Wouldn't they, instead of offering the land to the highest bidder, come down on the people in the region with an iron fist?Your logic is flawed. They already have. They have already sacrificed the security, reputation and well-being of these people in a vain attempt to find themselves in a position of power to bully less-developed countries. It has already been put to a stop. My logic is unflawed, only your perspective of it is. They cannot come down on the people because they are already so highly watched. What happens when they move away and stay low? We've already shown an extreme amount of tolerance for hate, prejudice, racism and genocide. Maybe if you people had taken action and ensured these people never would be out again to terrorize other citizens - yet here we are, endorsing hate, prejudice and racism. You disgust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Glorious Aotearoa, if you are so concerned about the welfare of other nations, by all means send enough aid to help 100 million people. Manchukuo, we do not accept worthless cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Glorious Aotearoa, if you are so concerned about the welfare of other nations, by all means send enough aid to help 100 million people.Manchukuo, we do not accept worthless cash. Of course we would help. If you gave us the land without asking for any compensation, we would help. We do not trust your nation one inch, so humanitarian supplies would be out of the question, given we cannot guarantee proper distribution. However, have some advice for free. Start to farm the land, it is not barren, and would feed that many people. Or do you wish to be rid of them so badly? Is this a lie like so much else, and an exchange for a more advantageous position in the pacific the only payment you will accept? OOC: 100 mil? I thought you played with 1000x. And I know you do not have 100k IG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 My logic is unflawed, only your perspective of it is.They cannot come down on the people because they are already so highly watched. What happens when they move away and stay low? We've already shown an extreme amount of tolerance for hate, prejudice, racism and genocide. Maybe if you people had taken action and ensured these people never would be out again to terrorize other citizens - yet here we are, endorsing hate, prejudice and racism. You disgust me. Actually you are being ethnocentric assuming your system of values and morals is the only correct one in the matter and universally applicable to other societies. Your position of "multiculturalism" is essentially the demotion of all other cultures to the status of incorrect and equal to all others. In a sense you tell the practitioners that theirs is an interesting culture but not worth anymore than that simple recognition. At the same time you elevate your own perspective to the status of truth, and recognize your own "neutral" and "objective" ground as the only true and correct one. In doing so you destroy all other world views in the same way that any dominating culture would; the only difference is you refuse to confront them as an equal and recognize them with an act of repression and instead treat them as nothing more than a specimen of curiosity. In that regard you my friend may perhaps be tantamount to a "racist". With that being said an act of intervention would be a violation of the sovereignty of and an assertion of your own world view over them making you no better than them. OOC: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Distribute machetes to the population so that they might effect their own form of population control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Distribute machetes to the population so that they might effect their own form of population control. OOC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Yamato would like to sell exchange its Inner Chinese territories of Hubei and Anhui for coastal territory around the Pacific Rim. Frankly, we do not like ruling over large ethnic groups different from ours, so please take this into consideration when bidding. "Wow, I actually have an idea for this that will solve the diplomatic problem's we're having and the fact you want out of Asia. Would you want Tasmania? If you accept this I will liberate the Chinese, I do not intend on keeping the land." ooc:I'd not even noticed this thread yet. Edited May 17, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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