Porkers. Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I frankly don't care what we get. We'll be having a blast regardless. Fortunately for you, we will be providing you with many more blasts before you have the chance to 'frankly not care'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilber Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Fortunately for you, we will be providing you with many more blasts before you have the chance to 'frankly not care'. Go on. I'm enjoying lighting them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaera Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Lots of internet tough guys in this thread. That said, I think anything less than permanent crippling for certain alliances will come back to haunt Karma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) from teh alliance that tried to bail and only came back because of how bad it made them look that is pretty funny. We're back and fighting, didn't had the stomach for such stuff, but at least we know some do and what you think about those friends of convenience. Your attempt at ignoring the question also answers the question. Good luck. Make it right when you can or cycle continues. It did for NPO. Edited May 1, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Smith Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 The leadership should have incredibly harsh terms enforced while the rank and file can get away with a slap on the wrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I think in true "Karma" fashion they should add up all the peace terms and reps that each alliance has forced upon others in the past. That would be rather fair. I like this idea, especially after the way GATO were treated in the GATO-1V war. The enforced removal of peace-mode and frankly spiteful terms imposed showed a face of Pacifica I'm still surprised their allies could stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscher Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Bring NPO back to 1 m NS and give FAN a shot at them Reps from Q alliances Bigger reps and demands from members of One Vision and white peace for anyone not in Q or One Vision Edited May 1, 2009 by boscher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I love how people are saying the wheel will turn again should we levy harsh terms. Karma does one thing: Bite you in the $@! for your past sins. People who are going for white peace for all alliances are either hegemony or have never been on the receiving end of NPO's graces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Q and 1V alliances should be required to repay all reparations they have ever extorted from other alliances as a result of war. Agreeing with this also fixed a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Andrew IV Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Q and 1V alliances should be required to repay all reparations they have ever received from other alliances as a result of war. Also they should be required to drop all treaties for duration of terms (2-3 months) and normalize relations with all other alliances for at least the same amount of time, meaning white peace with (NAAC, FAN, GOONS, \m/, IAA, Vox, etc.). Also dismantle Moldavi and Revenge Doctrines and enforce some type of additional punishment for nations that hid in peace mode. I agree with this, but NPO's peace mode nations should get the same treatment they gave to GATO. And throw in something about not holding any nation in ZI for more than 1 term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 from teh alliance that tried to bail and only came back because of how bad it made them look that is pretty funny. It doesn't matter who it comes from. It is a very valid point. There are several alliances who were in Q and thus 'NPO-enablers'. There are still several interwoven treaties, even now. Obviously, a majority of Bob had to be ok with NPO or actively support them for NPO to be able to achieve their goals. Take that fact and compare it to the fact that now NPO is outnumbered... Interesting little thing to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Perhaps each alliance is forced to pay back all reps extorted over the last 12 months to the nation they offended (not to the alliance who just beat them, but the alliance that they originally beat down)? Just getting creative here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper mouse Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Bring NPO back to 1 m NS and give FAN a shot at themReps from Q alliances Bigger reps and demands from members of One Vision and white peace for anyone not in Q or One Vision This, but also the white peace for all the other alliances they rolled. But definitely harsh terms, along with paying back all the reps they have demanded from wars they have started with a fake CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruthenia Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 It doesn't matter who it comes from. It is a very valid point. There are several alliances who were in Q and thus 'NPO-enablers'. There are still several interwoven treaties, even now. Obviously, a majority of Bob had to be ok with NPO or actively support them for NPO to be able to achieve their goals. Take that fact and compare it to the fact that now NPO is outnumbered... Interesting little thing to consider. It could be argued that they have seen the error of their ways with many of them having switched sides weeks in advance of this war and in supporting Karma they are atoning for their sin in supporting Pacifica - RoK, VE, and FOK are primary contributors to the force deployed against the NPO and they certainly are bleeding for it even though victory is assured. Alliances like IRON, NATO, GGA, etc. in not cancelling their treaties until the NPO was already under attack though made it perfectly clear that their cancellations were not out of any opposition to NPO so much as opposition to getting beaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinCox Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) White peace under the condition that the imperial government of Pacifica (at least, and perhaps that of other One Vision and/or Continuum alliances, depending on the extent of their crimes) are placed under PZI, meaning that their IC nations will never be able to play again, but that the player behind the nation could play under a different character. The Karma coalition would not have the authority to determine whom the government would be replaced with. That would be for the Pacificans (or whomever else) to decide. Edited May 1, 2009 by JustinCox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Wolfe Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Moo should be deposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 It doesn't matter who it comes from. It is a very valid point. There are several alliances who were in Q and thus 'NPO-enablers'. There are still several interwoven treaties, even now. Obviously, a majority of Bob had to be ok with NPO or actively support them for NPO to be able to achieve their goals. Take that fact and compare it to the fact that now NPO is outnumbered... Interesting little thing to consider. Atonement and absolution are available for any and all. Also, patience is a virtue. Take your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Why only punish the leaders? The rank and file supported these actions, hailed their leader's every word and action. Ignorance is no excuse, neither is following orders. They wanted harsh terms and back breaking reps only when their side is on the receiving end. Now that the tax man has come for them they are outraged by the very notion of reps. After all, Karma's job is not to bring your sins upon you, but to slap you on the wrists! Man up. Face the consequences. Your sins have brought you here, maybe some backbone in the face of what you have done to others would be prudent on the road to redemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobb Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Q and 1V alliances should be required to repay all reparations they have ever received from other alliances as a result of war. This and NPO should also keep military at 20% of citizen count with FAN given permission to raid those who break the term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSuck Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 eternal war for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 White peace under the condition that the imperial government of Pacifica (at least, and perhaps that of other One Vision and/or Continuum alliances, depending on the extent of their crimes) are placed under PZI, meaning that their IC nations will never be able to play again, but that the player behind the nation could play under a different character. The Karma coalition would not have the authority to determine whom the government would be replaced with. That would be for the Pacificans (or whomever else) to decide. Except most of us are anti-PZI (atleast to my knowledge) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I don't envy Karma it's choices, should it win. Too lenient and NPO will rise again like an angry bear and swipe their faces away. Too harsh, they'll come across as hypocrites and they'll be setting up a cold war which'll keep them on their toes for years with no guarantee of victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der_ko Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 And the wheel of Karma will turn after that again.I frankly don't care what we get. We'll be having a blast regardless. How selfish of you to deny your fellow pacifians the blast of war by ordering them into peace mode then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSuck Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I don't envy Karma it's choices, should it win.Too lenient and NPO will rise again like an angry bear and swipe their faces away. Too harsh, they'll come across as hypocrites and they'll be setting up a cold war which'll keep them on their toes for years with no guarantee of victory. oh and lets not forget that quite a few of the alliances on the karma side hate each other if one party want to offer light terms and one wants to offer harsh terms, who do you think the fallen hegemony will side with in the next big conflict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 do with them what they did to FAN, NAAC, GOLD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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