King Kevz Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: And he specifically used camouflage against satellites.Learn to read please. OOC: As was proven against your own movements thermal imaging from them would have picked up the soldiers. Also camoflauge wouldn't work very well when the forces are in movement so they would still have detected their movements once they got close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: As was proven against your own movements thermal imaging from them would have picked up the soldiers. Also camoflauge wouldn't work very well when the forces are in movement so they would still have detected their movements once they got close. OOC: 1. Thermal imaging is bad against LARGE areas for picking up indivudals. The only way they would know where to point this thermal imaging would be metagaming. You can't just say "I am watching the entire world at once", it doesn't WORK that way. You need to actually POINT THE CAMERA AT SOMETHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC:1. Thermal imaging is bad against LARGE areas for picking up indivudals. The only way they would know where to point this thermal imaging would be metagaming. You can't just say "I am watching the entire world at once", it doesn't WORK that way. You need to actually POINT THE CAMERA AT SOMETHING. OOC: This. Greenland is huge, people, nearly impossible to watch with sats. And I can camo my convoys, too, that's not a problem. It's all white after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: The fact is, he would notice the logistics movements anyway. And Cent, the US easily spotted the Soviet logistics and equipment movement efforts on Cuba, during the Missile Crisis and that was with 1960 high altitude cameras. The soviets were also using Camo. Now, skip forward to the 21st century (and perhaps even higher with the CNRP tech guidelines) and a spy satellite with a powerful camera could easily pick up such movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: This. Greenland is huge, people, nearly impossible to watch with sats. And I can camo my convoys, too, that's not a problem. It's all white after all! OOC: Not if he puts his satelittes on a wider recon scale. Spy satellites can keep up with anything, regardless of scale, not to mention if he picks up one movement of significance. It'd alert his military. Heck, the US keeps constant tabs on Chinese Missile deployments regardless of location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: Not if he puts his satelittes on a wider recon scale. Spy satellites can keep up with anything, regardless of scale, not to mention if he picks up one movement of significance. It'd alert his military. Heck, the US keeps constant tabs on Chinese Missile deployments regardless of location. OOC: I'll have to talk to my dad, who works on this kind of stuff, because right now it seems like metagaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: The fact is, he would notice the logistics movements anyway. And Cent, the US easily spotted the Soviet logistics and equipment movement efforts on Cuba, during the Missile Crisis and that was with 1960 high altitude cameras. The soviets were also using Camo. Now, skip forward to the 21st century (and perhaps even higher with the CNRP tech guidelines) and a spy satellite with a powerful camera could easily pick up such movements. OOC: Cuba: Area - Total 110,861 km2 (105th) 42,803 sq mi Greenland: Area - Total 2,166,086 km2 (13th) 836,109 sq mi Notice something? Yeah. Greenland has 20 times the area of cuba. Even modern satelites would be hard-pressed to find something on an island as big as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: This. Greenland is huge, people, nearly impossible to watch with sats. And I can camo my convoys, too, that's not a problem. It's all white after all! OOC: However, a large number of vehicles travelling along the roadways would be easier to pick up. Unless of course you are going off road in which case yes your camo probally does help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Seb Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: I could have sworn the Cuban pictures came from a spy plane, not a satellite. Satellites are on an orbital path, they don't generally hold in geosyncronis (sorry if I spelled that wrong) orbit. They have a pass at something and then that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: I could have sworn the Cuban pictures came from a spy plane, not a satellite. Satellites are on an orbital path, they don't generally hold in geosyncronis (sorry if I spelled that wrong) orbit. They have a pass at something and then that's it. OOC: I said they were using Camera's on Cuba. Also Lynneth, he doesn't need to spy on the entire country. He can just monitor his border areas, to detect the movements. And as King said, the high traffic etc would give enough warning for ANY country to take defensive measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: I said they were using Camera's on Cuba. Also Lynneth, he doesn't need to spy on the entire country. He can just monitor his border areas, to detect the movements. And as King said, the high traffic etc would give enough warning for ANY country to take defensive measures. OOC: Satellites can also be predicted EASILY, meaning they stop moving and time their actions when it is going to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: Yet, Lynneth didn't RP actually doing that. So if he did now, I believe that'd be considered meta-gaming. It's all about the detail, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: Satellites can also be predicted EASILY, meaning they stop moving and time their actions when it is going to see them. OOC: Not to mention when you are heading for your location you can't really afford to move and stop espically with such a large force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: Ground targets can also be mapped with ground mapping radar, from aircraft etc. But then he'd have to fly over enemy territory. example of image from ground mapping RADAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raritan Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: Also remember that Greenland has huge amounts of ice and snow, which reflect heat and the relative difference between the temperature of the ground and the troops moving and tank engines increases, making thermal imaging more effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: lol so many bitter tears.Satellite intel is indeed a beautiful thing. OOC: Ground targets can also be mapped with ground mapping radar, from aircraft etc. But then he'd have to fly over enemy territory. example of image from ground mapping RADAR OOC: Also remember that Greenland has huge amounts of ice and snow, which reflect heat and the relative difference between the temperature of the ground and the troops moving and tank engines increases, making thermal imaging more effective. OOC: I still challenge them to focus that satellites in the correct location...considering the land mass involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 GM Ruling. Californian has no satellites, hence, detecting Canadian troops is meta gaming, given the detection methods RP'd. Thanks you. (Even if he did, two points come to light. Geosync obits would have a horrible angle at the latitude, and LEO have about a few min a day to take photos, don't pass over the same point each day, and have predictable orbits, such that the Canadians could anticipate and hide.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OOC: Before someone complains, it's always been that you needed satellites in-game /wins argument before it starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 GM Ruling. Californian has no satellites, hence, detecting Canadian troops is meta gaming, given the detection methods RP'd.Thanks you. (Even if he did, two points come to light. Geosync obits would have a horrible angle at the latitude, and LEO have about a few min a day to take photos, don't pass over the same point each day, and have predictable orbits, such that the Canadians could anticipate and hide.) OOC: Before someone complains,it's always been that you needed satellites in-game /wins argument before it starts OOC: I can confirm that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 *Classified* DefCON has been raised to 5, Grøenlandia is downsizing to its normal 40,000 man military. Production of the border defenses will continue, however at a much slower pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted May 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) Höfuðborgarsvæðinukrokurfjordur, Grøenlandia- Today Forseti Ty Eyvindsson, with the approval of the Senatis, authorized the creation of the Ministry of Intelligence to be headed by a figure known only as the Eagle. Eagle, in his signature black suit, black sunglasses and ski mask hailed the new ministry as "progress for a more secure nation" and promised to "strengthen the information collected by the Ministries of Security and War." He also mentioned several times that this new department would not infringe on the rights to privacy guaranteed by the Constitution. Even so, several Senators have claimed a new bill is currently being debated to ensure the powers of this Ministry are restricted and will not invade the common citizen's privacy. Here is a revised list of Ministries: Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Steingrímur Vilhjálmsson Ministry of the Interior - Patrick O'Donnel Ministry of Education - Katrín Jakobsdóttir Ministry of Finance and Trade - Davíð Oddsson Ministry of Justice - Ragna Árnadóttir Ministry of Propaganda - Össur Skarphéðinsson Ministry of Industry and Energy - Einar Kristinn Guðfinnsson Ministry of Security - Hans Morgenthau Ministry of War - David Hightower Ministry of Intelligence - Eagle ------ Also today, Minister of Industry and Energy Einar Kristinn Guðfinnsson has announced the increased production of ammunition for the nation's stockpiles. Guðfinnsson stressed it was "standard procedure" and that the DefCON level would remain at level 5. The type of ammunition to be produced includes the HE (High Explosive) Round and RAAM (Remote Anti-Armor Munition) Round. In conjunction with the Industry Minister's announcement, Minister of War David Hightower authorized the production of 100 Leopard 2 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) for the Federal Republic of Grøenlandia's Armed Forces (GAF). This would bring the total amount of MBTs up to 1,300 and Mr. Hightower insisted the tanks were "to ensure that out army is modern and able to defend our great nation." Finally, Minister of the Interior Patrick O'Donnel and a spokesperson from both the Ministry of Security and Ministry of War issued a joint statement stating that the border defenses were "approximately 50% complete." Although specifics could not be devulged due to reasons of national security, it is thought that the minefields, dragonsteeth, and Czech hedgehogs have all been laid, with much of the fortifications and bunkers above and below the ground also completed. They also announced that much of the focus has been on the bottom half of the nation's border, especially near our nations capital. -------- Lastly, Forseti Ty said new legislation was close to being completed including an Environmental Protection Act and we will hopefully be able to release this in tomorrow's new. Thanks for watching! Edited July 10, 2009 by Californian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Incorporation of Atyrau “Today is a glorious day for the Federal Republic of Grøenlandia!” exclaimed Forsætisráðherra (Prime Minister) Ísólfur Ármannsson at a press conference earlier in the day. Today, Groenlandia incorporated the former NC Protectorate of Atyrau. Said the Prime Minister, “this was a decision agreed upon by all parties involved and will be mutually beneficial. The Nordic Confederacy did a diligent well done job providing security and basic public services for these people. However, we will be providing them with infrastructure, trade and economy including a stock market, construction of factories and manufacturing plants, security, and our world renowned rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Groenlandian Constitution.” The approximately 370,000 people living in this region will become full fledged Groenlandian citizens, gaining all rights including the right to vote and representation in the Senatus. Semi-Autonomous Rule Mr. Armannsson also recounted the annexation of the Arkhangelsk Province after the Slavo-European War. He stated “when we first received the territory many Slavorussians left, something we encouraged if they felt it was necessary to live under their tsar. However, many chose to stay because they realized just how benevolent of a government we are. We let them freely practice their culture and they were fully integrated into the local government and the country. This has been a peaceful, beneficial relationship. Many aspects of both cultures are mutually interchangeable, both Old Norden Kingdom and Slavic cultures stress integrity, character, and honesty. However we realize these citizens have different lifestyles and we respect that. With the recent acquisition of Atyrau, we are forming two semi-autonomous regions, the Provinces of Arkhangelsk and Atyrau.” Both regions will be governed by their respective democratically elected officials with oversight provided by the federal government. However they will retain seats in the Senatus and will wield power in the federal government. Male citizens of both regions will also still be eligible for the draft. With the formation of these two regions follows the formation of the Arkhangelsk and Atyrau Port Authorities. The Port Authority of each of these provincial capitals is tasked with policing and maintaining order in their respective ports. They will manage all trade, both exports and imports, and will report directly to the federal government while the provincial government will retain control of the capital city itself. Senatus Reformed With the addition of new territory, the Senatus has been restructured to provide a fair representation of the peoples of our nation. Here is a breakdown of seat distribution: Province Name - Amount of seats in the Senatus Höfuðborgarsvæðinukrokurfjordur S.D - 214 Guliver - 176 Ciudadela - 35 Proxia - 65 Grøenlandia Norte - 34 Grøenlandia Sur - 58 Arkhangelsk - 83 Atyrau - 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Elections in Arkhangelsk Tomorrow a vote is being held in the province of Arkhangelsk to decide whether the province should become part of the newly created Slavic Kingdom. This vote comes after the Senatus' 688-62 vote authorizing the province to hold this vote. All businesses will be closed for approximately three hours in the morning and everyone is encouraged to vote at the nearest precinct. All potential voters are being reminded to carry a piece of identification which identifies them as a Groenlandian citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Polls Closed In the Province of Arkhangelsk, the polls officially stopped 4 hours ago at 10:00 pm local time. Approximately 89% of precincts are reporting, and the result has been made official. The locals have voted in favor of joining the Slavic Kingdom, 73% to 22% with over 82% of the population voting. Last details are being worked out amongst the two governments, but the transition is expected to happen soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 DEFCON lowered! The DEFCON of Grøenlandia has dropped from 3 to 1.5. A total of 60,000 troops are being mobilized, bringing the total manpower to around 100,000 men. The remaining Reserve Forces are warned to be prepared to mobilize at a moments notice. All air force bases have been put on high alert. *Classified* 10 squadrons of F1 Wolverines and 5 squadrons of B1 Peacekeepers have been scrambled and are flying over the Atlantic, en route to Mariehamm Republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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