JJordan Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Is there any reason why I am not allowed to take any action in the game, period? It wants me to pay my bills - even though we are in war and I'm not collecting even 10% of what I need to pay bills. Does this mean that just through no fault of my own, I'm simply not allowed to play anymore? Surely the game administrator is not so foolish as to demand that you pay impossible bills during wartime just in order to be able to play - otherwise, all it would take is ONE nuclear attack and suddenly you are not allowed to do anything, regardless of how strong your nation is or how many weapons you have? So this is obviously a bug, can it be addressed? I do apologise - I should have put this in the bug forum. Sorry, feel free to move it, or I can just repost it there. Edited April 25, 2009 by JJordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Shepard Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 It's not a bug... if you don't have enough money saved up (warchest) to cover bills during wartime, then you won't be able to fight back with unpaid bills... Preparation is a big part of warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJordan Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Are you sure it's not a bug? It seems very silly just to refuse to allow someone to do anything whatsoever - surely this is not the intent of the admin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Shepard Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 100% sure... Otherwise people would never pay bills... you could wage wars for months without ever paying, so you need to budget and keep bills up to date if you want to make purchases or take military actions. You're going to either need to get some aid from your alliance to help you out, or to just dismiss your military (to lower bills) and this will mean your opponent(s) will only be able to send you a defeat alert per day, reducing the damage you can take until you can pay your bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJordan Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I understand - see, that's why I thought it must be a bug, because I've done all that and still I can't play. I have no military, I eliminated it all. And the reason I thought it was a bug is because admin MUST realize that if yo uget hit by a nuke, your bills are immediately going to overwhelm your tax collection MANY times over. And therefore, admin would surely not put you in a situation where it is impossible to play anymore no matter WHAT you do? Or am I just overlooking something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Shepard Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Wait for nuclear anarchy to clear, and your tax collection will go back up, allowing you to (hopefully) then cover bills... otherwise, you need to go into the war more prepared, unfortunately. Good luck tho. Edited April 25, 2009 by Jack Shepard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJordan Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 That's impossible too because bills will continue to accumulate. So, if you're right and this is NOT a bug, it means that the rule around here really IS that if you get hit with a nuke, your game is just completely over and you're never allowed to play again. I don't mean to be unkind, but did anyone actually think that through before they enacted such a rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 If you wait to collect until after you get out of nuclear anarchy, it counts all the days you didn't collect as being out of anarchy. That should give you enough to buy your way out. In very extreme cases people may need to sell off infrastructure in order to pay their bills, though you can also just get aid from your alliance as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJordan Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Ok. I'm not trying to argue here, just pointing out another angle: Isn't there a limit to how long your nation can go without collecting taxes before it gets deleted automatically? So what if the war keeps going on for longer than that period? That's the point I was trying to ask about - doesn't the admin realize what a TREMENDOUS disadvantage that is? All an attacker has to do is re-declare on you, and your nation is gone with nothing you can do. Am I understanding it correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Rupert Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 That's impossible too because bills will continue to accumulate. So, if you're right and this is NOT a bug, it means that the rule around here really IS that if you get hit with a nuke, your game is just completely over and you're never allowed to play again. I don't mean to be unkind, but did anyone actually think that through before they enacted such a rule? There are hundreds who have been nuked, many more than once, some upwards of 20+ times who have survived and continue to play the game. Those who were prepared, ie had warchest, ie. had a money surplus; were able to continue paying their bills without the need to collect while in anarchy. Those who were not, either had to be aided out by their alliance; sell off infrastructure, decom improvments and/or wonders or a combination of the two to lower their bills to the point aid and or collections will pay off the bills. Bills and collections are based on the value at the moment they are collected or paid times the number of days uncollected or unpaid. Hence the suggestion to wait out anarchy and collect after your income recovers. If you've been collecting in anarchy, then you've only been making a bad situation worse. You'll find most nations large enough to suffer being nuked have war chests consisting of many days worth of bills for just this sort of situation you find impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Ok. I'm not trying to argue here, just pointing out another angle: Isn't there a limit to how long your nation can go without collecting taxes before it gets deleted automatically? So what if the war keeps going on for longer than that period? That's the point I was trying to ask about - doesn't the admin realize what a TREMENDOUS disadvantage that is? All an attacker has to do is re-declare on you, and your nation is gone with nothing you can do. Am I understanding it correctly? 19 days That's the reason why nations build warchests (have enough money to pay for x days worth of bills). If you're prepared, you won't fall down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo666 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I'm kinda new but could you not just sell everything till you are back at square one? Or delete you nation and start all over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I'm kinda new but could you not just sell everything till you are back at square one? Or delete you nation and start all over? That's another option if you're bill locked (not able to pay your bills). But that might not be an option if you're a large nation (since they worked hard for their nation to grow). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viluin Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) This is why most people save up enough money to pay at least 100+ days of bills. Edited April 26, 2009 by Viluin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Is there any reason why I am not allowed to take any action in the game, period? It wants me to pay my bills - even though we are in war and I'm not collecting even 10% of what I need to pay bills. Does this mean that just through no fault of my own, I'm simply not allowed to play anymore? Surely the game administrator is not so foolish as to demand that you pay impossible bills during wartime just in order to be able to play - otherwise, all it would take is ONE nuclear attack and suddenly you are not allowed to do anything, regardless of how strong your nation is or how many weapons you have? So this is obviously a bug, can it be addressed? I do apologise - I should have put this in the bug forum. Sorry, feel free to move it, or I can just repost it there. This is precisely the strategy with nuclear war Also what's your ingame nation? you should get this forum account changed to match it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Cut down bills. Decomission your military, and sell infra if your just passing a jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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