Nordlandic FA Dispatch Regarding Mariehamm's War

[Malatose]

We're find it odd how the Republic of Mariehamm now "hates" the Nordic Confederacy. Wasn't it just a few months ago that Mariehamm gave us his full support? Indeed, we do remember receiving this Memo on our desk, just days after the invasion.

The Nordic Confederacy has been given access to Mariehamm's over-the-horizon radar, which will allow them to see the launch of any large non-stealth planes and all long-range missiles in Slavorussia.

Indeed, since we are "mass murderers and thugs", one could say Mariehamm supported us in those operations. We, after all, did find his RADAR systems to be quite useful in our operational planning. Yes, if what Mariehamm says is true, then the blood is also on their hands.

Edited April 26, 2009 by Malatose

[Uberstein]

"You obviously have not been keeping up with the times. The Mariehamm Arms Corporation is gone, this is the Republic of Mariehamm, and none of those people are in this government."

Edited April 26, 2009 by BaronUberstein

[Cody Seb]

Xizang simply finds it strange that before the NC's conquest of Slavorussia, it was the bastion of slavic culture, with mass demonstrations of anti Nordlandicism. After the conquest, the people were declared Nordlanders all the same.

They may have descended from Vikings, but it was a different tribe of Vikings that evolved over a vast period of time into a vastly differnet people. It is a shame that we saw the loss of the cyrillic language. We do not know if it even exists anymore outside of two of our universities.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: LOL. You must have missed the repeated occations in which I have shown that the Slavs are the largest population minority in Nordheim - and all of them still speak Russian (Though, not all are Russians proper) - and that was prior to invading Slavorussia, even.

[Cody Seb]

OOC: Please don't. Yeah, I did see that. Since this is OOC, I also saw the repeated hints at teaching them Nordlandic and wiping Cyrillic off all the Vodka bottles, as well as your public statement claiming them to be Nordlanders. So, are they or not? Stop acting like you are omniscient please, especially when your own posts contradict eachother.

[Lynneth]

OOC: Please don't. Yeah, I did see that. Since this is OOC, I also saw the repeated hints at teaching them Nordlandic and wiping Cyrillic off all the Vodka bottles, as well as your public statement claiming them to be Nordlanders. So, are they or not? Stop acting like you are omniscient please, especially when your own posts contradict eachother.

OOC: Fun Fact: To actually get an entire people to use an entirely new language would take well over 100, if not 200 years. Man is by default traditional and stubborn, so Martens and his friends will have to RP a very long time to really integrate the Slavorussians as Nordlanders.

[Subtleknifewielder]

Finally, we laugh at nations such as the Azerbaijan. We affectionately refer to them as the "sheep" of the world, for blindly listening to the propaganda and lies against the NC without the willingness to look at this from un unbiased viewpoint.

it is a little hard to look at anything in an unbiased manner when unarmed citizens have been murdered by the people you are condemnening, or at the very least on their orders.

OOC: Fun Fact: To actually get an entire people to use an entirely new language would take well over 100, if not 200 years. Man is by default traditional and stubborn, so Martens and his friends will have to RP a very long time to really integrate the Slavorussians as Nordlanders.

OOC: Well, Martens? What do you say to that?

[deadbycheese]

OOC: Fun Fact: To actually get an entire people to use an entirely new language would take well over 100, if not 200 years. Man is by default traditional and stubborn, so Martens and his friends will have to RP a very long time to really integrate the Slavorussians as Nordlanders.

OOC: I beleive that is a RL fact, not necessarily RP.

[Cody Seb]

OOC: I beleive that is a RL fact, not necessarily RP.

OOC: The point is it defies what is realistically possible.

[Jason the Great]

OOC: The point is it defies what is realistically possible.

OOC: This could certainly be the case, if Lynneth's point is backed with proof.

[JEDCJT]

OOC: I beleive that is a RL fact, not necessarily RP.

OOC: RL takes prevelance in RP.

[The Confederation]

OOC: Fun Fact: To actually get an entire people to use an entirely new language would take well over 100, if not 200 years. Man is by default traditional and stubborn, so Martens and his friends will have to RP a very long time to really integrate the Slavorussians as Nordlanders.

OOC:

Although true in a holistic sense, it's far from a direct fact. The Law of Linguistic Shading states that if a region or linguistic group is completely dominated culturally (and thus linguistically) in less than two Linguistic Cycles--depending on how advanced the civilization is, and how compatible the dominating and submitting language are, it can be from two years to twenty years--words, phrases, accents, grammar formations, and sentence structure begins to change. Languages (especially in Romantic times, Post-Viking Slavic expansion and various Asian periods) fell in the matter of one or two generations.

Edited April 28, 2009 by Brian Reimer

[V The King]

OOC:

Although true in a holistic sense, it's far from a direct fact. The Law of Linguistic Shading states that if a region or linguistic group is completely dominated culturally (and thus linguistically) in less than two Linguistic Cycles--depending on how advanced the civilization is, and how compatible the dominating and submitting language are, it can be from two years to twenty years--words, phrases, accents, grammar formations, and sentence structure begins to change. Languages (especially in Romantic times, Post-Viking Slavic expansion and various Asian periods) fell in the matter of one or two generations.

OOC: Populations were much smaller back then, though, and usually decentralized (as in, not in dense conglomerates), as well as there existing few means of communication to perpetuate a language (although the opposite could be argued) thus making those much easier to assimilate.

RL aside, I think if that you want to RP a certain group of people that was created and formerly controlled by another player, then you'll have to deal with the fact that they'll have their own culture - as well as taking a long $@! time for them to assimilate. I find it different than a case where you're just dealing with a regular RL group.

[The Confederation]

OOC: Populations were much smaller back then, though, and usually decentralized (as in, not in dense conglomerates), as well as there existing few means of communication to perpetuate a language (although the opposite could be argued) thus making those much easier to assimilate.

RL aside, I think if that you want to RP a certain group of people that was created and formerly controlled by another player, then you'll have to deal with the fact that they'll have their own culture - as well as taking a long $@! time for them to assimilate. I find it different than a case where you're just dealing with a regular RL group.

OOC: Indeed, Nordlandic is basically a Pidgin language and to an extent a Pidgin culture of most European Groups. Nativization of language wouldn't take too long because of the similarities, however, as they're allowed to speak whatever language they want--it would take longer than if it was forced upon people.

In regards to Nordlandic culture, as it is also a Pidgin, it can be generally and sociologically accepted that those who were introduced with the Nordlandic "formed culture" that the similarities would outnumber the differences between groups, and a general common ground would be found.

Think of it this way.

Not all Nords are German, but all Germans are Nords. Not all Nords are Slavic, but all Slavs are Nords. Think of it as we think of Europe today. We call things that are related to culture, language and all sorts of things that originate as "European" though it gives no real localization of what kind of European group it broke genesis. In CN terms, this would be used as "Nordic" or "Nordlandic" in reference to the giant language and cultural group that is shared by the nations of the Nordic Confederacy, and the people living in foreign nations that have heritage in these areas.

It is a blanket term of sorts for the entire area, it's language group and it's cultural similarities.

[Shadowsage]

OOC: I'm fairly sure Justinian never referred to his Slavs as Nords.

[The Confederation]

OOC: I'm fairly sure Justinian never referred to his Slavs as Nords.

OOC: However when Confederated Poland (the most visible and populated Slavic group based on my nation stats v. his at the time) formed Greater Nordland with Prussian Domain at the time, it inherently validated Slavic cooperation with Nordlandic culture.

[Uberstein]

OOC: I'm fairly sure Justinian never referred to his Slavs as Nords.

OOC: My Scandinavians were never Nords either. Only Martens called them that.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: Plus Nordheim's largest minority were Slavs, even before the invasion.

[Shadowsage]

OOC: ...Which still doesn't mean his citizens are Nords.

[Justinian the Mighty]

ooc: Slavs or at least the Slavo-Russians aren't nordic. End of story, that’s all she wrote, game over. The Slavo-Russians are strongly anti-nord, not because its a "race" or "ethnicity" because their core ideals glorify fascism, ultra-nationalism, and imperialism, and this was all before the invasion of Slavorussia.

Slavorussians do not speak the blanket language or Nordland, and a lot of people would probably reject any notion that they would learn the language, especially with the Imperial Family assuring the people that the Slavorussian government will return someday.