The Confederation Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "Will both sides please look at the real issue that will occur from any war that takes place. Civilian families will be killed or lose loved ones for some stupid piece of dirt and for a wrongful arrest. There are times where war is neccessary but this is not one of them both sides need to settle down, let off some steam and work out a peaceful solution to this problem". "As of this time, The Nordic Confederacy does not recognize a state of war with ourself and The Republic of Mariehamm. We will assuredly issue border police to the area, and also stay vigilant, however, no bullets will be fired." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "As of this time, The Nordic Confederacy does not recognize a state of war with ourself and The Republic of Mariehamm. We will assuredly issue border police to the area, and also stay vigilant, however, no bullets will be fired." "Then lets have both the Confedracy and the Republic of Mariehamm sit down and discuss the problems and issues that have arisen and then both work towards ending these without violence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Confederation Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "Then lets have both the Confedracy and the Republic of Mariehamm sit down and discuss the problems and issues that have arisen and then both work towards ending these without violence". "We have invited representatives from the Republic of Mariehamm for peacetalks in a completely neutral nation, however they have denied all talks." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "We have invited representatives from the Republic of Mariehamm for peacetalks in a completely neutral nation, however they have denied all talks." "Then it is upto the Republic of Mariehamm to decide whether they will maintain their refusal and wish for violence and war or if they will accept the peace talks and help to come to some form of agreement". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 We believe Mariehamm is doing this for more than a “piece of dirt and a building” the government of Mariehamm is watching as the NC systematically invaded and destroys the history, language and other cultural aspects of the nations they attack. They’ve seen the NC unjustly invade country after country, with paper thin evidence supporting their case, and without even attempting to use diplomatic channels prior to their invasions. For those reasons and countless more, the Central Asian Federation supports Mariehamm’s current course of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 We believe Mariehamm is doing this for more than a “piece of dirt and a building” the government of Mariehamm is watching as the NC systematically invaded and destroys the history, language and other cultural aspects of the nations they attack. They’ve seen the NC unjustly invade country after country, with paper thin evidence supporting their case, and without even attempting to use diplomatic channels prior to their invasions. For those reasons and countless more, the Central Asian Federation supports Mariehamm’s current course of action. "You speak as if the Nordic Confedracy was the only ones who carried out these actions in history. I am sure that if you look back across the history of the world you would find many examples of such actions taking place. One example being that incident in Asia where the DKT were wiped out using weapons of mass destruction and yet why have you not demanded their attackers stand trial and to disband". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranather Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "You speak as if the Nordic Confedracy was the only ones who carried out these actions in history. I am sure that if you look back across the history of the world you would find many examples of such actions taking place. One example being that incident in Asia where the DKT were wiped out using weapons of mass destruction and yet why have you not demanded their attackers stand trial and to disband". The DKT were pirates and terrorists, so that is hardly relevant here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 The DKT were pirates and terrorists, so that is hardly relevant here. "Wrong they were a people with culture, history and the right to experience life and yet it was taken away from then in a wave of violence. But for arguements sake lets say you are correct what if the Nordic Confedracy declared the Slavorussians terrorists and deemed that they needed to be destroyed for their own security would that make their actions acceptable?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "Wrong they were a people with culture, history and the right to experience life and yet it was taken away from then in a wave of violence. But for arguements sake lets say you are correct what if the Nordic Confedracy declared the Slavorussians terrorists and deemed that they needed to be destroyed for their own security would that make their actions acceptable?". Yes, if the Slavorussians were terrorists thugs and pirates, then yes their actions would have been justified. ooc: I cant believe I said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranather Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "Wrong they were a people with culture, history and the right to experience life and yet it was taken away from then in a wave of violence. But for arguements sake lets say you are correct what if the Nordic Confedracy declared the Slavorussians terrorists and deemed that they needed to be destroyed for their own security would that make their actions acceptable?". Attacking random ships, sinking them for not paying a tax that amounted to thug-like protection money to cross the only good route and such is not Piracy then? Hmm. Odd. Once again you use a non-relevant arguement. There was sufficient real proof of DKT piracy. If the NC made such a claim against the Russians then I would call it ridiculous. Circumstances dictate things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Attacking random ships, sinking them for not paying a tax that amounted to thug-like protection money to cross the only good route and such is not Piracy then? Hmm. Odd.Once again you use a non-relevant arguement. There was sufficient real proof of DKT piracy. If the NC made such a claim against the Russians then I would call it ridiculous. Circumstances dictate things. "You are partially wrong there. First of all I am almost one hundred percent sure that the common citizens of the DKT didn't hop into the naval vessels and go hunting down transport ships themselves and yet they were also forced to suffer". "Secondly it is not circumstances that dictate things it is personal opinions what one man calls a terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The Nordic Confedracy felt that a threat was forming against them and they chose to strike first or so they have said. Maybe they are telling the truth maybe they arn't but without peace talks we will not know". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkenende owns Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 The Eastern Reich voices its position on the heating tensions between the Nordlanders and Mariehamm/Anti-Nordlandic states. "Taken from the Nordlandic empire in Europe, the Eastern Reich cannot, but stand by and witness its brothers in Europe, and around the world be harmed. We condemn the false motives for war by Mariehamm and her allies on the Nordlanders. The spear of war is has been protracting from anti-Nordlanders, sharpened to a fine point by racism and set to strike at any moment. With such cercumstances, it should be known, the Eastern Reich unofficially pledges its support of its Nordlandic brothers in the event of an aggressive atack upon them. Never will a successful unjust war be waged against them!......Rascisti Schtonk!...AntiNordik Schtonk!...Marie n Hamm Schtonk!" - The Emperor, Fuhrer of the Eastern Reich, General of the Eastern Reich Armed Forces, Supreme Commander of the State of the Eastern Reich, Life-long Ruler and Overseeer of the State of the Eastern Reich, His Excellency Lord Charlie Chaplin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 The DKT were pirates and terrorists, so that is hardly relevant here. Attacking random ships, sinking them for not paying a tax that amounted to thug-like protection money to cross the only good route and such is not Piracy then? Hmm. Odd.Once again you use a non-relevant arguement. There was sufficient real proof of DKT piracy. If the NC made such a claim against the Russians then I would call it ridiculous. Circumstances dictate things. You are lumping them all into one category. Yes, there may be proof of state-sponsored piracy, but the average citizen probably never set foot on a ship, never mind participated in those acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 The Eastern Reich voices its position on the heating tensions between the Nordlanders and Mariehamm/Anti-Nordlandic states.- The Emperor, Fuhrer of the Eastern Reich, General of the Eastern Reich Armed Forces, Supreme Commander of the State of the Eastern Reich, Life-long Ruler and Overseeer of the State of the Eastern Reich, His Excellency Lord Charlie Chaplin. The Eastern Reich should note that this has been a long time in coming. This is a war that has been building from the first time the Nordic Confederacy members initiated an unjust war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranather Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 You are lumping them all into one category. Yes, there may be proof of state-sponsored piracy, but the average citizen probably never set foot on a ship, never mind participated in those acts. I never said I necessarily approved of the whitewashing, but nonetheless DKT needed to be dismantled, and it was. Was the genocide unfortunate, of course, but these things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 The Eastern Reich voices its position on the heating tensions between the Nordlanders and Mariehamm/Anti-Nordlandic states.- The Emperor, Fuhrer of the Eastern Reich, General of the Eastern Reich Armed Forces, Supreme Commander of the State of the Eastern Reich, Life-long Ruler and Overseeer of the State of the Eastern Reich, His Excellency Lord Charlie Chaplin. Mariehamm's cause is just. Nordland has grown into an even more evil entity than it ever was before. They invade nations, then partition up their land and give it away to the highest bidder. Your illegal occupation of Slavorussia's easternmost provinces is an issue the exiled Slavorussian Imperial Government wishes to discuss in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkenende owns Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Mariehamm's cause is just. Nordland has grown into an even more evil entity than it ever was before. They invade nations, then partition up their land and give it away to the highest bidder. Your illegal occupation of Slavorussia's easternmost provinces is an issue the exiled Slavorussian Imperial Government wishes to discuss in the near future. We have risen as a seperate nation from the Nordlandic protectorate. An illigal occupation is imposible unless by the entirety of the population of said region whom have created the Eastern Reich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 We have risen as a seperate nation from the Nordlandic protectorate. An illigal occupation is imposible unless by the entirety of the population of said region whom have created the Eastern Reich. "I am afraid this is one point you are occupying that belongs to the Slavorussian people who still follow the Tzar's family and this is one issue that will have to be discussed" OOC: yea no way are the Slav's gonna turn against the Tzar's family almost 100% of the population there would be hating your government right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkenende owns Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 "I am afraid this is one point you are occupying that belongs to the Slavorussian people who still follow the Tzar's family and this is one issue that will have to be discussed"OOC: yea no way are the Slav's gonna turn against the Tzar's family almost 100% of the population there would be hating your government right now. Who is occupying the region besides those who inhabit it already? If there is anyone who disagrees with our nation they are welcome to leave. We may negotiate, but for now we will defend our lands with force if we must. OOC: I dont see how a government that rose out of the region can be hated. It wasnt placed on that land, it grew out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Who is occupying the region besides those who inhabit it already? If there is anyone who disagrees with our nation they are welcome to leave. We may negotiate, but for now we will defend our lands with force if we must. OOC: I dont see how a government that rose out of the region can be hated. It wasnt placed on that land, it grew out of it. OOC: Because the people of Slavorussia follow the Tzar and his family and even though the land was conquered their beliefs would not have changed so to be honest your nation would never had been able to rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) We have risen as a seperate nation from the Nordlandic protectorate. An illigal occupation is imposible unless by the entirety of the population of said region whom have created the Eastern Reich. "Yeah right Nordic propaganda doing it's influences you are a traitor to Slavs everywhere" Edited April 28, 2009 by Centurius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkenende owns Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 OOC: Because the people of Slavorussia follow the Tzar and his family and even though the land was conquered their beliefs would not have changed so to be honest your nation would never had been able to rise. OOC: Wether this is proved or not, my nation has risen and it won't be denied its place. The land was occupied and the mix of populations set up their own government. It was able to rise, and it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 OOC: Wether this is proved or not, my nation has risen and it won't be denied its place. The land was occupied and the mix of populations set up their own government. It was able to rise, and it did. OOC: Let's see about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 OOC: Wether this is proved or not, my nation has risen and it won't be denied its place. The land was occupied and the mix of populations set up their own government. It was able to rise, and it did. OOC: What mix of populations? There are the Slavorussians and that is all and if you had tried to set up a government then they would have rebelled against it immediatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkenende owns Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) "Yeah right Nordic propaganda doing it's influences you are a traitor to Slavs everywhere" "We care not for the opinions of hostile powers, who are infact emitting their own propaganda. Especially 'Red' states worldwide..... Comintern schtonk."- Furher Chaplin, Eastern Reich Edited April 28, 2009 by Balkenende owns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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