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In the Holy Roman Catholic Empire city of Padua, many world leaders meet to discuss King Balomesh's decision to stop Christians and Jews from travelling.

Cardinal Michael Gormley comes to the conference and shouts, "I now declare open the Padua conference! You may now air your concerns."

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In the Holy Roman Catholic Empire city of Padua, many world leaders meet to discuss King Balomesh's decision to stop Christians and Jews from travelling.

Cardinal Michael Gormley comes to the conference and shouts, "I now declare open the Padua conference! You may now air your concerns."

OOC: OK...

IC: Lady of Foreign affairs, Georgina Gates, shook her head. "What concerns? I see no mistreatment of these people. All I see is a country closing its borders for unspecified reasons."

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The Taeunas Foreign Ministry official listened closely then spoke quietly into the mic. "Ladies and gentlemen, are we all agreed that one of the basic human rights is self determination? If so, then why are these people who have decided to leave, being stopped? One would think that their government would welcome this, as the exodus of the so-called non believers would free up more resources for the "faithful" that remain. I can understand closing ones borders to folks coming in. A nation like that wouldnt want the disreptive influances coming in. For closing it against those same influances going out? Makes no sense."

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"While Nordland feels that denying access to the territory using Religious criteria is a form of discrimination resembling racism against the Nordlanders in Europe, we feel that as long as no actual persecution - that is, violence - is systematically promoted by the state, its sovereignty must be respected. The international community has no right to tell Balomesh what to do, as long as he does not become a murderer. After all, invading a nation because it doesn't let certain religious pass through it would result in so much death that the operation would be an utter disgrace to the whole world as the sands would be stained red."

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"While Nordland feels that denying access to the territory using Religious criteria is a form of discrimination resembling racism against the Nordlanders in Europe, we feel that as long as no actual persecution - that is, violence - is systematically promoted by the state, its sovereignty must be respected. The international community has no right to tell Balomesh what to do, as long as he does not become a murderer. After all, invading a nation because it doesn't let certain religious pass through it would result in so much death that the operation would be an utter disgrace to the whole world as the sands would be stained red."

A note: Nordlandic is a culture, not an ethnicy or race.

Rascism is, as per definition,

rac·ism  
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Please get your facts right.

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"In my opinion, Nordlandic is all three."

Then continue believing an inherently wrong opinion.

Nordlandic is not a race - Caucasian is the race.

"The term Caucasian race has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia. Historically, the term has been used to describe the entire population of these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone. In common use, the term is sometimes restricted to Europeans and other lighter-skinned populations within these areas, and may be considered equivalent to the varying definitions of white people."

Explains itself quite well. There is no "german" or "french" or "russian" or whatever race, neither is there a "nordlandic" race. You fail biology.

Nordlandic is not an ethnicy -

"An ethnic group is a group of human beings whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real. Ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness and the recognition of common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioral or biological traits, real or presumed, as indicators of contrast to other groups."

Note that only you yourself recognise Nordlandic as ethnic group. Few to no other nations do this. Your common heritage is only imagined, as the people of germany, france, poland, sweden, russia, et cetera may all trace their roots back to one group, but have grown away from each other over the course of several thousand years. Claiming that russians are siblings of germanics is ridiculous, as the russians have been separate for more than a millenium and their culture, traits, et cetera changed, as did that of germanic tribes.

They only have a linguistic trait because it was forced upon them. The language spoken in your country is artificial and did not evolve naturally, thus should not be considered a real language at all.

You claim that you preserve the culture and religion of the people in your countries. Thus, they by definition cannot all have the same culture or religion and do not belong to the same ethnic group. The biology was talked about earlier already; The peoples of these countries (OOC: I assume that the world was largely like IRL until at least ~1910) all evolved slightly different traits depending on the location of their country et cetera.

In the behavior, the only thing they have common, and that only because the state requires it, is being quite militaristic. By definition, being militaristic needs to be enforced by the state, which in turn prevents it from being part of a naturally acquired behavorial trait.

You, sir, fail.

OOC: Edit: Some spelling.

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Newly reaffirmed President Luis Donado of the Federacion Iberiana -- venturing forth from his lands for the first time since his election -- stood and calmly said, "Gentlemen, let us not get bogged down in debate over whether Germanic or Gallic peoples constitute races or merely cultural groups, for we have not the time to waste. Perhaps for each of you this is merely an interesting point to debate, but for the Federacion Iberiana this is a matter which directly affects our nation in a deep and serious way. Perhaps you've forgotten your geography, but directly across the Strait of Gibraltar from our southern border lies a Muslim theocracy built upon the structure of the previous fascist and autocratic regime. We face a very grave threat!

"Now, all citizens and persons within the territory of the Federacion have the right to practice their religion freely, so long as that practice does not infringe upon the rights of others. Muslims account for nearly fifteen percent of our population. Of these fifteen percent, fully a third have heeded the Call put out by the Caliphate. Now, this in itself is not alarming. What alarms me is that those individuals of the Federacion who were traveling through the Caliphate at the time of this new policy are now trapped there! Iberian citizens, for the sole reason that they worship God or Yahweh instead of Allah, are being detained in a foreign land against their will. Action must be taken! We cannot dawdle here while my people rot in Caliphate jails!"

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Newly reaffirmed President Luis Donado of the Federacion Iberiana -- venturing forth from his lands for the first time since his election -- stood and calmly said, "Gentlemen, let us not get bogged down in debate over whether Germanic or Gallic peoples constitute races or merely cultural groups, for we have not the time to waste. Perhaps for each of you this is merely an interesting point to debate, but for the Federacion Iberiana this is a matter which directly affects our nation in a deep and serious way. Perhaps you've forgotten your geography, but directly across the Strait of Gibraltar from our southern border lies a Muslim theocracy built upon the structure of the previous fascist and autocratic regime. We face a very grave threat!

"Now, all citizens and persons within the territory of the Federacion have the right to practice their religion freely, so long as that practice does not infringe upon the rights of others. Muslims account for nearly fifteen percent of our population. Of these fifteen percent, fully a third have heeded the Call put out by the Caliphate. Now, this in itself is not alarming. What alarms me is that those individuals of the Federacion who were traveling through the Caliphate at the time of this new policy are now trapped there! Iberian citizens, for the sole reason that they worship God or Yahweh instead of Allah, are being detained in a foreign land against their will. Action must be taken! We cannot dawdle here while my people rot in Caliphate jails!"

We sympathize with your plight, we really do, but there is a problem. No one is being let in or out, and it has nothing to do with religion. They aren't letting Muslims in or out either.

And speaking of your own citizens, have you tried just asking for them back?

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The Tsarina of Molakia stands up.

"This Balomesh has done nothing wrong. Sure, restricting movement isnt a nice tactic, but aslong as their is no violence, Molakia sees no problem!" she says to applause.

"As for Nordland...You...You...." she struggles to say, trying to find polite words. She cannot, and sits down, staring at the Nordic Representatives.

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-snip-[/i]"

There is no evidence at all that anyone is being jailed. This is nothing more then Christian propaganda and a desire to cause bloodshed, as the abrahamic failures that you call "religion" are wont to do. It is of no surprise that Christian nations are concerning themselves unnecessarily over the internal affairs of a Muslim nation, and are completely ignoring all Caliphate announcements that the border closing is just for census purposes.

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On further consideration, the Noble Demesne of Strigia is satisfied to keep a weather eye on the situation. It is heartening to know that there are fellow concerned nations, however, and we will certainly be interested in opening up relations in the future.-Francis Guiscard, Premier of Constantinople

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Then continue believing an inherently wrong opinion.

Nordlandic is not a race - Caucasian is the race.

Explains itself quite well. There is no "german" or "french" or "russian" or whatever race, neither is there a "nordlandic" race. You fail biology.

Nordlandic is not an ethnicy -

Note that only you yourself recognise Nordlandic as ethnic group. Few to no other nations do this. Your common heritage is only imagined, as the people of germany, france, poland, sweden, russia, et cetera may all trace their roots back to one group, but have grown away from each other over the course of several thousand years. Claiming that russians are siblings of germanics is ridiculous, as the russians have been separate for more than a millenium and their culture, traits, et cetera changed, as did that of germanic tribes.

They only have a linguistic trait because it was forced upon them. The language spoken in your country is artificial and did not evolve naturally, thus should not be considered a real language at all.

You claim that you preserve the culture and religion of the people in your countries. Thus, they by definition cannot all have the same culture or religion and do not belong to the same ethnic group. The biology was talked about earlier already; The peoples of these countries (OOC: I assume that the world was largely like IRL until at least ~1910) all evolved slightly different traits depending on the location of their country et cetera.

In the behavior, the only thing they have common, and that only because the state requires it, is being quite militaristic. By definition, being militaristic needs to be enforced by the state, which in turn prevents it from being part of a naturally acquired behavorial trait.

You, sir, fail.

OOC: Edit: Some spelling.

Citizens of the Supreme Caliphate are educated on the biological impossibility of the theory of human "races". As the standard method for deciphering group genetic differences must exceed 25-30% for a single species to be divided into a race or subspecies. By this measure, seperate human races do not exist, only different communities, who have adopted their own cultures, language, names etc. As well as attaining some varying biological features depending on their respective enviroment, but those featural differences are minute, and rather unimportant. Our Caliphate is united by belief alone.

Also, all citizens of the Caliphate have now been granted freedom to move about the country. We pledge full protection of all religious practices of Jews and Christians within the Caliphate, as well as equal oportunity, and treatment.

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Citizens of the Supreme Caliphate are educated on the biological impossibility of the theory of human "races". As the standard method for deciphering group genetic differences must exceed 25-30% for a single species to be divided into a race or subspecies. By this measure, seperate human races do not exist, only different communities, who have adopted their own cultures, language, names etc. As well as attaining some varying biological features depending on their respective enviroment, but those featural differences are minute, and rather unimportant. Our Caliphate is united by belief alone.

Also, all citizens of the Caliphate have now been granted freedom to move about the country. We pledge full protection of all religious practices of Jews and Christians within the Caliphate, as well as equal oportunity, and treatment.

We were talking to the Nordheimers, just as a note. There was no need for you to reply, though it didn't hurt, either.

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We were talking to the Nordheimers, just as a note. There was no need for you to reply, though it didn't hurt, either.

It was a side note to the topic of the Nordheimers. The main reason was to inform of our recent actions pertaining to the blocking of Jews and Christians from leaving the country, as well as give some insight into some of the beliefs upholded by the Caliphate.

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Citizens of the Supreme Caliphate are educated on the biological impossibility of the theory of human "races". As the standard method for deciphering group genetic differences must exceed 25-30% for a single species to be divided into a race or subspecies. By this measure, seperate human races do not exist, only different communities, who have adopted their own cultures, language, names etc. As well as attaining some varying biological features depending on their respective enviroment, but those featural differences are minute, and rather unimportant. Our Caliphate is united by belief alone.

Also, all citizens of the Caliphate have now been granted freedom to move about the country. We pledge full protection of all religious practices of Jews and Christians within the Caliphate, as well as equal oportunity, and treatment.

"Well. It looks like we finally have an Islamic state that is reasonable. That is good to hear. the actions of past regimes claiming to be Islamic were not so honorable as this."

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