Kiss Goodbye Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Facts worth knowing: 1) NPO's allies have ended their MADP ties to the order, but as far as we in the cyberverse know, they have NOT submitted their 48 hour requests to withdraw from One Vision and Continuum. This is thus far reflected on the wiki pages for both blocs. 2) Echelon's DoW upon Karma offers an optional CB for all other members of One Vision as per the oA portion of the 1V charter. 3) There is crossover in membership of both One Vision and Continuum. Should a 1V member that is also in Continuum choose to activate the optional aggression portion of the bloc, and go to war alongside Echelon, all of Continuum will gain an additional CB that is "unrelated" to NPO, in the same format. 4) All of this can be done despite their sending the image of having withdrawn support for NPO. Edit--fixed name of the treaties to MADP. Edited April 22, 2009 by Kiss Goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 They were MADPs btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Meh. I don't care. Canceling is always looked down upon without legitimate reasoning, furthermore, if they canceled to 'shock CN and surprise attack"...it wont change a thing. Karma, etc is STILL prepared and will be for a decent amount of time, not like they destroyed military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coursca Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 The OP is correct (except for the confusion about what those treaties precisely are -- they're MADPs IIRC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Meh. I don't care. Canceling is always looked down upon without legitimate reasoning, furthermore, if they canceled to 'shock CN and surprise attack"...it wont change a thing. Karma, etc is STILL prepared and will be for a decent amount of time, not like they destroyed military. Exactly. I cannot think of a single Karma alliance that has reduced their alerted status. This is Karma's war and we want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Ryan Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 no surprise here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 4) All of this can be done despite their sending the image of having withdrawn support for NPO. I think the question is: why would they go through this whole cancelation thing only to jump in a day later looking like cowards already? I'd expect at least a statement pertaining to how they disagree with NPO's actions, but their word is their bond and they will fight for as long as their treaties are in effect. We didn't get anything like that. But we shall see - hopefully tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coursca Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I think the question is: why would they go through this whole cancelation thing only to jump in a day later looking like cowards already? I'd expect at least a statement pertaining to how they disagree with NPO's actions, but their word is their bond and they will fight for as long as their treaties are in effect. We didn't get anything like that.But we shall see - hopefully tonight. My hope is that a statement (at least from IRON) will be posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Congratulations Sherlock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruthenia Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I find it amusing that all the alliances last night who cancelled their MADPs with NPO and were coincidentally in the Continuum and One Vision had the guff to cancel their bilateral treaties but somehow forgot or couldn't manage to eject NPO from their blocs. I'm calling a bluff here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I find it amusing that all the alliances last night who cancelled their MADPs with NPO and were coincidentally in the Continuum and One Vision had the guff to cancel their bilateral treaties but somehow forgot or couldn't manage to eject NPO from their blocs.I'm calling a bluff here. I agree with this statement. I will not believe anything until at least 2 days from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 3) There is crossover in membership of both One Vision and Continuum. Should a 1V member that is also in Continuum choose to activate the optional aggression portion of the bloc, and go to war alongside Echelon, all of Continuum will gain an additional CB that is "unrelated" to NPO, in the same format. It is optional for a reason. We do not condone the actions of pacifica in their aggressive war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I agree with this statement.I will not believe anything until at least 2 days from now. exactly - and until it is cleared up I would hope peace negotiations are off the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Lord Moth Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 If they decide to declare, it'll only result in the war Karma had been preparing for all along, except now with greater strategic folly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruHartBrakN Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Exactly. I cannot think of a single Karma alliance that has reduced their alerted status. This is Karma's war and we want it. That much was clear in the negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Karma honoured our treaties last night expecting NPO's allies to honour theirs. We remain prepared for them to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 It is optional for a reason. We do not condone the actions of pacifica in their aggressive war. After discussing things with mhawk one night, he made it clear to me that he thought the CB was solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 That much was clear in the negotiations. I really think you should reread the negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiabelly Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I find it amusing that all the alliances last night who cancelled their MADPs with NPO and were coincidentally in the Continuum and One Vision had the guff to cancel their bilateral treaties but somehow forgot or couldn't manage to eject NPO from their blocs.I'm calling a bluff here. That is why I am not even bothering to call them cowards now. Either they are planning on completely cutting NPO off at the knees, or it is a "cunning plan" either way, incompetent is more apt than coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Andrew IV Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 It is optional for a reason. We do not condone the actions of pacifica in their aggressive war. But you have condoned numerous wars of theirs in the past that were equally as aggressive. I have a strong inclination morals didn't play into your alliance's decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 That much was clear in the negotiations. If you're referring to the peace talks with NPO, the war was already on during that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obiwan Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 well, I am hoping things will develop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Pitt Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 1V/tC attack Karma tonight, hands down bet right there, CB; attacking NPO who is the creator/master of both blocs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh the Great Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 1V/tC attack Karma tonight, hands down bet right there, CB; attacking NPO who is the creator/master of both blocs this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Reverie Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) It is optional for a reason. We do not condone the actions of pacifica in their aggressive war. Oh what a tangled web we weave... [01:48] <@JWConner[VA]> so, Desperado` and edikroma[TPF] , what is your take on all of this then[01:48] <~Desperado`> we are going in. [01:48] <@JWConner[VA]> ok, when? [01:49] <~Desperado`> tommorow. Edited April 23, 2009 by New Reverie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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