WcaesarD Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Alright, I'm pissed, RoK stands with her allies, as we always have done and always will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 But, it wasnt just one member, it was several and they chose to not share the information with others. This was one guy who made a simple mistake and didnt share it. Also, the alliance would not agree to ANY terms. I think Alden sums up my response nicely a few posts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 They were the terms refused two days.I can't think of any way to make the terms less: no apology, no reparations, nothing punitive. No membership ban. A single round of ZI. What more do these people want than such mild terms? Can I ZI you for accepting my PM? Thats a mild term, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 No. Our terms were that one of them get a single ZI. That's even less than what you want! Yet our terms were refused. I'm sorry. I haven't seen anyone calling for Ursarker's head (In a serious manner at least). Seems our terms for Ursarker are (so far) much more lenient than the ones Moo offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 So would it be fair for us to ZI Ursarkar?Disclaimer: I don't mean to imply there is an "us." No. This was a sting operation. If you'd like, the NPO could create an entire squad to go into alliances' channels to try to get them to "accept" information and then ZI each of them. It'd be an interesting war tactic. Is that how you wish the wars of tomorrow to be fought? http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54735Really? If terms were that Moo got ZIed for the same offense - would you accept that offer? (note that question is rhetorical and isn't an actual offer in the event that NPO actually would accept that offer) I find it hard to agree that terms were refused when your alliance attacked OV in the middle of negotiations. The terms were refused two days ago. Negotiations ended. They didn't try to talk to us after Moo pinged out. If they wanted to, they could have. If they still want to, they could. This is clear to anyone who reads these forums and has a bit of common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Can I ZI you for accepting my PM? Thats a mild term, isn't it? When a person actively and maliciously spies on an alliance or uses information from said spy, a single round of ZI is a mild term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeline Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 They should be. For though we prayed that Admin would have mercy on their soul, He has given none. Do not worry, I am sure soon you will be praying for him to have mercy on your souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 The terms were refused two days ago. Negotiations ended. They didn't try to talk to us after Moo pinged out. If they wanted to, they could have. If they still want to, they could. This is clear to anyone who reads these forums and has a bit of common sense. Thats why OV was expecting a meeting while they got attacked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 The terms were refused two days ago. Negotiations ended. They didn't try to talk to us after Moo pinged out. If they wanted to, they could have. If they still want to, they could. This is clear to anyone who reads these forums and has a bit of common sense. Someone want to do me a favour and post the logs of the TOP moderator being hung out to dry by the Hegemony negotiators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 The terms were refused two days ago. Negotiations ended. They didn't try to talk to us after Moo pinged out. If they wanted to, they could have. If they still want to, they could. This is clear to anyone who reads these forums and has a bit of common sense. I'm pretty sure its widely agreed the mediator was still in there talking to them. So negotiations hadn't ended per say. Moo was pinged out, a reasonable assumption would be that he would return to the discussions. But i do believe that was about the time the attacks started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 So spying is bad - receiving information from a spy is bad - but receiving infromation from a spy to catch a spy is okay? Cortath - since you seem to have missed it - could you clarify on your (and the NPO's) position on this matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 When a person actively and maliciously spies on an alliance or uses information from said spy, a single round of ZI is a mild term. QFT my friend. QFT. Where did OV use the information regarding the amount of your Warchests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 They were the terms refused two days.I can't think of any way to make the terms less: no apology, no reparations, nothing punitive. No membership ban. A single round of ZI. What more do these people want than such mild terms? Perhaps a better reason to be handing out terms in the first place. That OV guy didn't ask for the information he was given, nor did he pass it around. And until you came to OV complaining about it, they more than likely had forgotten that happened. I guess if somebody sends you a query/PM with screenshots from another alliance's forum without asking, nor even wanting that information to begin with, its ok to try to force terms of ZI on you or risk having your alliance wiped out in a war. I'm sure that's been the point made previously in this thread, but I really don't feel like reading the entire thing and frankly, I don't need to. So, my bad if I sound like a broken record repeating what other people have said. At least we are all capable of seeing through this bullcrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 When a person actively and maliciously spies on an alliance or uses information from said spy, a single round of ZI is a mild term. Active spy? Nope. Malicious spy? Nope. Uses the Information? Nope. Guess you aren't talking about OV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 I'm pretty sure its widely agreed the mediator was still in there talking to them. So negotiations hadn't ended per say. Moo was pinged out, a reasonable assumption would be that he would return to the discussions. But i do believe that was about the time the attacks started. No. We declared only about 14 hours ago. This was well before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBucks Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 When a person actively and maliciously spies on an alliance or uses information from said spy, a single round of ZI is a mild term. <Schills> I know who is declaring on you guys at update.<Schills> I got logs of it >_> <Schills> Want them? <Ursarkar> Sure <Ursarkar> But I can't have them, right? <Schills> No <Schills> you can <Ursarkar> Mhm.. <Ursarkar> Well, go ahead. <Schills> Kay <Schills> gotta dig them up <Schills> give me a sec <Schills> Its of Gen Lee of RoK <Schills> they are attacking NPO with GOD at update <Ursarkar> Mmm <Schills> Its from their private channel <Schills> Cant tell anyone else okay? <Schills> Except like your leaders >_> <Ursarkar> Lol <Ursarkar> Righteo <Schills> I r srs <Ursarkar> Mmm So, can people demand a ZI of Ursarkar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 So, can people demand a ZI of Ursarkar? Were past that. Keep up :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 QFT my friend. QFT.Where did OV use the information regarding the amount of your Warchests? Maybe that's why the NPO attacked them. Now that they're at war, surely they're using the info the WCs, right? This of course justifies the attack, amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 So, can people demand a ZI of Ursarkar? No. Ursarkar was the victim of a sting operation and a not-too-clever PR stunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 No. We declared only about 14 hours ago. This was well before that. Not according to the people who were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 No. We declared only about 14 hours ago. This was well before that. I believe theres a difference between attacking an alliance and declaring on them. From what i've read, and has been agreed by many others. There was a large discrepancy between attacks and an official declaration of War on the OWF. To the extent that all parties hadn't even left the negotiation room yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) So, can people demand a ZI of Ursarkar? No. Ursarkar was the victim of a sting operation and a not-too-clever PR stunt. We could.... but with the way things are going, that'd be pointless, now wouldn't it? Edited April 21, 2009 by Aloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 We could.... but with the way things are going, that'd be pointless, now wouldn't it? Well NPO is/was asking for a ceasefire... so maybe if that occurs, a ZI of him is in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffasamini Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) I'm pretty sure its widely agreed the mediator was still in there talking to them. So negotiations hadn't ended per say. Moo was pinged out, a reasonable assumption would be that he would return to the discussions. But i do believe that was about the time the attacks started. No. Negotiations had ended. He was a MEDIATOR, not a member of either party. Also, you believe wrong, these "negotiations" took place, and failed, earlier than the attacks, which only started and were ordered about 10 minutes till update. I believe theres a difference between attacking an alliance and declaring on them. From what i've read, and has been agreed by many others. There was a large discrepancy between attacks and an official declaration of War on the OWF. The war deceleration in OWF was a courtesy. There is no international law stating that wars dont exist until announced in OWF. All parties involved in the war knew about it already. Edited April 21, 2009 by muffasamini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloop Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) Well NPO is/was asking for a ceasefire... so maybe if that occurs, a ZI of him is in order. Yes, but they'd all cry foul about us being the ebil new hegemony. I don't think I could take that much bawwww-ing. We would run out of whaaaa-mbulances. Edited April 21, 2009 by Aloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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