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As one can see from my thread of my "return", it seems I'm so "loved" that people are willing to bury me even when my wipeout/banning was overturned AND an action which was made invalid before an IC thing happened is still being considered valid by those who have interests in my land.

Perhaps it's time that I drop my polite side and just go all !@#$@#$ out with the dirty tactics.

New GMs, may I ask for your judgments on my hard situation, a legacy of the past regime?

1. Russian Invasion

This post was made almost 12 hours before Sargun's IC reply. Wouldn't this automatically make all the RPs following the OP invalid?

2. Altin Urda Land Issue

HK47 overturned my ban/wipeout. Since this mean my government NEVER fell, all RPs concerning my nation should be automatically considered invalid, INCLUDING the formation of Cochin. However, it seems some people are not willing to play it clean.

I hoped that I can come back quietly, but it seems this was not to be. Sorry for throwing this to you guys, LVN/VInce/Subtle. I hope you guys make a fair ruling, for the sake of CNRP.

With love,

Sumeragi.

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I'm going to talk with Subtle so we can come up with a joint ruling, seeing as LVN would not be thought of as a neutral party.

Here is my opinion:

1. Leave the new nations in her territory.

2. If existing nations expanded into her territory, I will make them retract those RPs and reduce the expansion.

3. Sumeragi will not get the full extent of her lands, but if anything, less than half of what she had.

If anyone wants to complain or put in their two cents, put it in this thread, I want to see your opinions.

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Hmm. Barely 24 hours and already my first sticky situation.

What you have given certainly seems to be in line with the facts, and you did make the offer to Sargun to "whitewash" your 'invasion' of Artemis' protectorate.

On the other hand, your sphere of influence does not cover all you claimed in the first place.

You will most likely have to tolerate at least a couple of these new nations--however, this does not mean you should give up all your land or even your nation. I'm not sure how much land is left, but whtever there is, you keep it, and if it is not enough, the borders of the new nations should be pushed back just a little to give you more room.

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All of her land is occupied, she has no Altin Urda left.

My two cents is simple, as you saw on IRC vince;

She is facing the consequences of her actions; whether she likes it or not. If she is allowed to come back as Altin Urda, she will get invaded because she invaded Sargun's land (and he hired me to help). Whining to the mods because you screwed up only shows a poor character

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I'm going to talk with Subtle so we can come up with a joint ruling, seeing as LVN would not be thought of as a neutral party.

Here is my opinion:

1. Leave the new nations in her territory.

2. If existing nations expanded into her territory, I will make them retract those RPs and reduce the expansion.

3. Sumeragi will not get the full extent of her lands, but if anything, less than half of what she had.

If anyone wants to complain or put in their two cents, put it in this thread, I want to see your opinions.

It's a decent ruling from my viewpoint. Although to Subtle, new nations shouldn't reduce their land size for Sumeragi, they should keep what they claimed. #2 is spot on as well.

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It's a decent ruling from my viewpoint. Although to Subtle, new nations shouldn't reduce their land size for Sumeragi, they should keep what they claimed. #2 is spot on as well.

That's only if Sumer doesn't have much land left even after taking expansions by existing nations into account.

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Honestly anyone that says "To bad you lost your nation for a moment. You're not getting it back." Simply are taking advantage of a mistreated situation. Under that silly logic the new, completely blank, world map means wild claims can be made if you lag behind in reaffirming your land SOI.

Don't get there fast enough? Tough. You lost the land. Go cry.

See how that logic sucks?

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Honestly anyone that says "To bad you lost your nation for a moment. You're not getting it back." Simply are taking advantage of a mistreated situation. Under that silly logic the new, completely blank, world map means wild claims can be made if you lag behind in reaffirming your land SOI.

Don't get there fast enough? Tough. You lost the land. Go cry.

See how that logic sucks?

Exactly.

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A suggestion. Below is an IC suggestion by me for this problem, it isn't perfect and doesn't have to be chosen as I said its just a suggestion.

Right the idea is this. We say sumergai was still going to carry out the attack with her forces of Sargun's forces and land however, along the war and at the jump point for the attack weather conditions took a massive change and the ground became to ill conditioned for proper use in the attack and thus Sumergai's government called the attack off however, due to this a number of groups who were in opposition to Sumergai's government rebelled or declared independance with almost full support from their local population. Due to this plus a number of soldiers deserting to protect their families in the rebelling areas Sumergai's government pulls back to regroup in its still loyal territory.

So at the end of the above suggestion, the attack was never carried out and thus no war was needed to be declared, the new nations can remain as they are or with the 25% reduction in land as per the GM's wishes and Sumergai gets to have some territory without anyone destroying her.

Anyway thats my suggestion upto you GM's and players if you want to use it.

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Actually, after careful deliberation, we have decided that even though the ban was overturned, what Sumeragi did by invading someone after a lock was still not good. So, she can be put back onto the map in any white space she wishes to be put in, equal or less than her SoI, as the rules go.

In any case, I think I will be the first to suggest this ruling:

Once your nation is locked, no more RP or advancements can go on your RP nation. If you are to break that ruling, your nation will be wiped and you can start anew from a different white space.

This will be a set in stone ruling, as so many rules are not set in stone.

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Actually, after careful deliberation, we have decided that even though the ban was overturned, what Sumeragi did by invading someone after a lock was still not good. So, she can be put back onto the map in any white space she wishes to be put in, equal or less than her SoI, as the rules go.

In any case, I think I will be the first to suggest this ruling:

Once your nation is locked, no more RP or advancements can go on your RP nation. If you are to break that ruling, your nation will be wiped and you can start anew from a different white space.

This will be a set in stone ruling, as so many rules are not set in stone.

To summarize.

  • The map ban was wrong and overturned
  • However, you do not need to be on the map to RP
  • Hence, because no IC resistance was shown when people annexed / invaded etc. They gained land with little effort.
  • You are free to come back to the land in any unclaimed area(white) but people who have made expansions into your former land do not need to scale back their expansions.
  • As a nation coming new to the map, your inital claim must be no bigger than your SoI.
  • If you rejoin as Altin Urda, you will also have the accept the consequences of your invasion.

A ruling one this also would be nice.

No, when you take a IC action that is not a RP wipe worthy god mod, there is no way to take it back. If the IC nation of Altin Urda exists then it will be considered to have invaded that land.

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The problem with just flat-out ruling that they never happened is that it erases a lot of other things...like the new players. If we can come up with a plausible explanation for them without the attack, I'd say go for it.

There will be a reason for the new players, if anyone remembers what I said about the Sacred Conflict RP I was doing.

Really, are we going to recognize a impetuous decision?

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There will be a reason for the new players, if anyone remembers what I said about the Sacred Conflict RP I was doing.

Really, are we going to recognize a impetuous decision?

Yes we are. I had to when I made one a time ago so you will have to as well.

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