bigwoody Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 He's talking about the fact that now that the rumored "sides" are beginning to even out instead of being a curbstomp, that now it's become essential to once again make sure that you have the PR backing for a war. Some might say it's a return to the roots where PR and the "moral right and wrong" of a war contributed heavily to the outcome of a war. OOC: This one. Duh.IC: Please come back when you have an actual response to my argument instead of just looking dumbfounded. Thanks. Looking into the past shows a lot of popular opinion, especially the sympathy vote, going to such groups as the League and Aegis in the past. Those are two examples of groups built around the concept of trying to carry popular opinion in the way most popular today. Now think about how this doesn't line up with your premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Lol at GATO being a threat when it was rolled. NPO just pulled a CB from its little magician's hat Ya got me there. True, they weren't. But a magician's hat? Please. and used that because they didn't like an enemy staying alive and free. Pretty much every alliance has done that at some point. I believe the Gremlins did the same to Polar, no? I'm hardly criticizing the decision, it makes sense, which is my point. GATO may have been less of a threat than Polar or whatever, but the fact remains, taking out enemies due to them being enemies is hardly stupid. Whether you agree or not is another story, naturally. I believe my general point still stands, however. That is, the last sentence or two of my last post: Yet CN moves forward believe it or not, I think the fact they signed a treaty together, even if a PIAT, means that door for one is closed.See: Legion and Pacifica's friendship and I believe mutual defense treaty. Edited April 15, 2009 by rabonnobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 These sour grapes shall make a fine vintage for me to enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Looking into the past shows a lot of popular opinion, especially the sympathy vote, going to such groups as the League and Aegis in the past. Those are two examples of groups built around the concept of trying to carry popular opinion in the way most popular today. Now think about how this doesn't line up with your premise. Now think about UJP and how they were the reverse of that position. Now consider what the specifics strengths and weaknesses of each of these respective examples were and how that impacts the premise as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaitlinK Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Very nice Pacifica you are a class act. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLights Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) 3 things: A. I applaud you on the choice to release GATO and of your ZI policy. Congratulations to NPO for their mercy in this time and GATO for their freedom and perseverance. B. The fool who believes public perception is for the weak will soon find himself on the other end of the stick. It is actually quite amazing how grass roots movements can accomplish much (Obama) only by talking and spreading the word. C. Congratulations and good luck to Jarheads as well. As I said the other day it is very refreshing to see wars with little or no terms at all. I am grateful to see that we are taking the players into account when it comes to war in this community. I truly hope to see this trend continue in the months ahead. Edited April 15, 2009 by NorthernLights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 When does Vox populi get peace? Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenrpg Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Even if I was to concede your point that we're doing this just for the PR... shouldn't y'all be happy we've done it at all?1. Clamor for the NPO to change it's position on something. 2. NPO changes it's position on something. 3. Complain about how the NPO only changed its position on something because of the clamoring. 4. ... 5. Profit? Maybe I shouldn't complain. I mean heck, it proves Pacifica can bend to public opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geiseric Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Edit : keh-rap, I was replying to a PM and it ended up here. OT : Well, I guess, it's about time people clean up their cache memories. Maintaining ZIs are a lot of hassle and not that very much entertaining. Edited April 15, 2009 by Geiseric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Even if I was to concede your point that we're doing this just for the PR... shouldn't y'all be happy we've done it at all?1. Clamor for the NPO to change it's position on something. 2. NPO changes it's position on something. 3. Complain about how the NPO only changed its position on something because of the clamoring. 4. ... 5. Profit? Then where is the statement giving FAN its freedom? Where is the apology for keeping GATO under the heel all of this time? Doing something just for the PR and doing something because there was a realization of mistakes are two different things. One means you have seen the supposed "light" and will aim to make better decisions in the future, and the other is only a temporary deal meant to sway the public eye long enough to shove a knife into their back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Ya got me there. True, they weren't. But a magician's hat? Please. Pretty much every alliance has done that at some point. I believe the Gremlins did the same to Polar, no? I'm hardly criticizing the decision, it makes sense, which is my point. GATO may have been less of a threat than Polar or whatever, but the fact remains, taking out enemies due to them being enemies is hardly stupid. Whether you agree or not is another story, naturally. I believe my general point still stands, however. That is, the last sentence or two of my last post. A year old grudge against one man who changed nothing in GATO does not a CB make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) When does Vox populi get peace? Haha. Why must you mock us so? D: Edited April 15, 2009 by MegaAros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Now think about UJP and how they were the reverse of that position. Now consider what the specifics strengths and weaknesses of each of these respective examples were and how that impacts the premise as a whole. I find it more likely that people want to paint things a certain way OOC: I seem to recall a lot of previous coalitions playing the role of "bad guys". They made and kept allies by being reliable partners. Theres more ways to succeed than pandering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Even if I was to concede your point that we're doing this just for the PR... shouldn't y'all be happy we've done it at all?1. Clamor for the NPO to change it's position on something. 2. NPO changes it's position on something. 3. Complain about how the NPO only changed its position on something because of the clamoring. 4. ... 5. Profit? Maybe because a sincere change of heart means that when the situation suits you you won't go trampling all over the policies you've just laid out, whereas a PR-motivated stunt generally means that's exactly what you intend to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Mary won the thread on page 1. It's very nice when I can agree with a Pacifican thread. Hopefully Jarheads will become a new force here, they seem to have a lot of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoiL Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Congrats to GATO(Its about time :\) and Starfox. It is interesting to hear about this ZI stuff after the Regents tireless talk in favor of it in the IRON thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Now think about UJP and how they were the reverse of that position. Now consider what the specifics strengths and weaknesses of each of these respective examples were and how that impacts the premise as a whole. Didn't you know bigwoody? I've hired Delta as the SMHouse Press Secretary. Welcome to politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyman Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Congrats to both GATO and Starfox! Progress has been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Fischer Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Congrats GATO. Good luck in the future. o/ Pacifica o/ Moo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Heaping praise on NPO for this is ridiculous. Is CN really that thick or what? I don't think I'll ever understand you sycophants. What I'll never understand is why "sycophants" has become Planet Bob's new favourite word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 What I'll never understand is why "sycophants" has become Planet Bob's new favourite word. Sure beats "sheeple" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) What I'll never understand is why "sycophants" has become Planet Bob's new favourite word. When you don't read, using words that sound "big" makes it sounds like maybe you do read. That's been my experience at least. [edit sp] Edited April 15, 2009 by Cortath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 What I'll never understand is why "sycophants" has become Planet Bob's new favourite word. It's a good way to insult someone and sound like you are smart at the same time. "Toady" just makes you sound cliche. *waves to Slayer* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virillus Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 When you don't read, using words that sound "big" makes it sounds like maybe you do read. That's been my experience at least. [edit sp] Says the Sycophant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) IRON and Val release JB from EZI, TPF amends it's EZI policy, and NPO amends its EZI policy all on the same day. Man, the winds of change sure blow fast right? Edited April 15, 2009 by Hyperion321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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