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I will admit, that was a crafty response. And I quoted it because there is ALWAYS that lazy dude who hates scrolling. Yes you guy, I am looking at you.

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They shouldn't. It's 100% irrelevant to everything and a convenient bogeyman that there would be a ready replacement for if it went away overnight.

It's irrelevant now? Pardon me, but I for one really don't like sitting back when I see things done against those who can't fight back. Often oppression which is done to people I have never even met. Doesn't make it any less relevant to me. Can't look out for yourself only, then you'll find yourself alone. What is done to others affects all. We'll all be sought after sooner or later.

As for your second point, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. EZI isn't the only policy people are disagreeing with right now. Pretty much every policy (except from NPO protection of unaligned red nations) people find to be completely despicable. Viceroys, beat downs, yadda yadda. This dissent is not over just the EZI issue. It is over everything combined. All the offenses of the hegemony have over time added up and finally boiled over. People are just plain sick of it now.

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Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies.

They may be a part of different alliances but they are all a part of the same gameworld of Planet Bob.

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Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies.

How do you figure EZI/PZI is internal? :huh:

I will admit, that was a crafty response. And I quoted it because there is ALWAYS that lazy dude who hates scrolling. Yes you guy, I am looking at you.

Heh, be glad I'm too lazy to look up member rosters of the signatories of the ZIPP, it would be ten times as long. :P

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It's irrelevant now? Pardon me, but I for one really don't like sitting back when I see things done against those who can't fight back. Often oppression which is done to people I have never even met. Doesn't make it any less relevant to me. Can't look out for yourself only, then you'll find yourself alone. What is done to others affects all. We'll all be sought after sooner or later.

As for your second point, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. EZI isn't the only policy people are disagreeing with right now. Pretty much every policy (except from NPO protection of unaligned red nations) people find to be completely despicable. Viceroys, beat downs, yadda yadda. This dissent is not over just the EZI issue. It is over everything combined. All the offenses of the hegemony have over time added up and finally boiled over. People are just plain sick of it now.

Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list.

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Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies.

I think in affect stopping people from playing the game would count as world police and it does affect the world since if you haven't noticed alliances tend to not have people on PZI/EZI lists in their alliance.

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Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list.

Even one person on a ZI list is reprehensible. But then it also seems like you misread. He did say that he was talking about most of your alliance's policies as a whole, not just the policy of using a ZI list.

[edit]Does Vox count against that five people you requested?[/edit] :P

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You're wrong Doitzel.

IRON does not persue across re-rolls. If he had rerolled into a different persona, 1, we wouldn't have known, and 2, even if we did find out about him, if he wasn't doing anything to harm IRON at the time, there's a very good chance that he'd be ignored.

But no, that doesn't meet your needs or your propaganda needs. So you'll just continue to spin.

[22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> In IRON the term PZI and EZI are synonymous

[22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> And the onlyway to get off is a majority vote of the council

[22:12] <Jonathan_Brookbank> So what do PZI and EZI mean to IRON?

[22:13] <Iamthey[iRON]> A PZI is a permenant ZI on all current and future characters of the individual

What was that about spin? Maybe you should get your stories straight.

Yeah, being "world police" is when you deliberate internally about matters that concern you and decide what to do about it. It's certainly not when you try to dictate other alliances' policy to them. I mean, I'm certain there would be no criticism at all if we did that.

I wasn't aware that waging a perpetual war against other alliances and nations was an internal matter. I was, however, aware that it interferes with their ability to operate as sovereign entities and that more often than not it disheartens them and drives them away, or else spurs them on toward more insidious methods.

Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies.

Yeah! You might even go as far as placing Viceroys on other alliances or re-draw their charters to make them in your own image.

Oh wait, you do do that!

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Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies.

Not really an internal policy when considering that those who are being EZIed really aren't a part of that alliance, and hence become a foreign entity. Plus, as for your own internal policies, I don't see anybody trying to interfere. People strongly disagree, but I have yet to see any viceroys placed on your alliance or given surrender terms forcing a change in policy.

But yes, yes, enough. Let's talk about how you interfere with the internal policies of other alliances. I love it when I get to point out hypocrisy.

Let's see. MK's first strike nuke policy. If you consider EZI to be an internal policy, then the nuke policy is one too. You issued a surrender term to have it stricken from charter. Strike one. Then you issue numerous viceroys, having complete oversight on the internal procedures of numerous defeated alliances. Strike two. GGA. Need I say anymore? That's strike three. Thanks for playing Bak. We ought to do this again sometime. It's been a blast.

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They shouldn't. It's 100% irrelevant to everything and a convenient bogeyman that there would be a ready replacement for if it went away overnight.

This community is more than capable of deciding what's relevant to ir and what isn't by itself, thanks.

Also, I hope to see the above list grow beyond 337 names.

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Even one person on a ZI list is reprehensible. But then it also seems like you misread. He did say that he was talking about most of your alliance's policies as a whole, not just the policy of using a ZI list.

I guess the difference between you and me is that I don't count one person who is probably on such a list for a very good reason as THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD LET'S MAKE 100 THREADS ABOUT THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT FOR YEARS. And I didn't misread; I just know a derailment attempt when I see and sometimes I can stop myself from taking the bait.

[edit]Does Vox count against that five people you requested?[/edit] :P

You're the majority but that won't quite get you to five!

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[22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> In IRON the term PZI and EZI are synonymous

[22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> And the onlyway to get off is a majority vote of the council

[22:12] <Jonathan_Brookbank> So what do PZI and EZI mean to IRON?

[22:13] <Iamthey[iRON]> A PZI is a permenant ZI on all current and future characters of the individual

While I do not like to hang an IRON Councilor out to dry, he gave JB bad information. The individual was advised privately that he gave out poor information and was told the policy.

Mistakes do happen, none of us are perfect.

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Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies.

OOC: It's not an internal policy. Alliances aren't putting their own nations on EZI. And it's not an IC policy either. Alliances are deciding that they are Admin and can decide who can and who can't play this game. It is an offense against fair play and this community of gamers. EZI is an OOC attack and the only OOC attack the community should concern itself with. Everything else belongs to the mods, the law or should be dealt with by growing some thicker skin.

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Is the murder of one man somehow less worse than the murder of one hundred? It doesn't matter how many or how few you do this to. It is wrong.

I'm not accepting the validity of your analogy because murder is hardly comparable to punishing someone for their actions, but all things considered, yeah it probably would have been better if you could have stopped the holocaust than if you could stop one person somewhere from dying.

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Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list.

If you want our memberlist you only need to ask in unambiguous terms.

It's funny, though. If you'd asked this two months ago we'd have no problem. Interesting that you've let so many people off lately, considering ... what was it? "Nobody cares"?

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