Bakunin's Dream Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I'd say majority of the community cares. They shouldn't. It's 100% irrelevant to everything and a convenient bogeyman that there would be a ready replacement for if it went away overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 who cares They do: WarriorConcept of Warriors Penlugue Solaris Ejayrazz Electron Sponge Vilien Dochartaigh Emperor of Neo Keltica Sileath HeraclesTheGreat Sandwich Controversy Steodonn Nintenderek Svendonia JackSkellington Alaric the Great Redoran Lennox Cataduanes Mao Zedong Van Hoo III Blacky ModusOperandi youwish959 ruler of Hillbilly Hell Balder of Hringhorni New Frontier Jason8 Moridin of Arafel M. Dé Javu, Foreign Minister, Kingdom of Seria (BobJanova) President Obama Zigbigadorlou Frozen-rpg of Knights of St. John Merovingian of Burgundy deSouza Impero Jon Archer Jacko of The Ocean (Jacques Cousteau) Fireguy15207 of Nation of Allen MegaAros Magnet of Magodonia Loodoyaye II Draztikus of Molle-Achterbosch Sargon of Akkad SpiderJerusalem AllenKalashnikov Pansos the Pink King Penchuk of the Proxian Empire Hertugen of Salernoland Chimaera Deruvian of Sezchronne uaciaut Shodemofi Rebel Virginia Adrian LaCroix maxnmike of Isle of Chance President Dendodge of The Free land of Dendodgia Facade Arsenal of the ODN James Wilson of The Wilson Empire Machiabelly New Reverie of New Reverie Virillus 4SnwL Tornado Xerxer Mrcalkin Litha Riddle of Enigmathena Shamshir Jayovfennay of Rawmeng Gerald Meane Starfox101 of Burbank 2burnt2eat Morte Chief Savage Man Salmia Willirica JohnWinthrop of Hoohoointhehaha Darth Maul Jordite Freelancer of The Sepritists Gabriel Carver Sharduke of Drae Ada Jason Salovsky Mechanus of Adeptes Mechanicus Sal Paradise Tarikmo Slavic Monarch Chunky Monkey of Internetia King Arentak Vakadonis of Vakadonia Maicke Mamaev II Quiziotle Mr3looc of Leinenkugel NickCooley of Alcimoennis Charles VI Marcus Guildenstern Chickenzilla Jerdge Trouble Terrible Lord LeVentNoir of Imperial Wellington Floatsam Theragu40 phillip110 Arrnea of The Barony of Arrnea Sithis Merlin Helpma Cookavich Illuminatus 519 Nigras Sorum Medraut Mogar Ajaxpenny Ninja Colt Gabe Logan KitKatFox of KitKatLand Marty McFly Cowen70 SamFisher202 Goose Ragashingo Sarkin DinendelDucky Katsumi, Protector of Chokan, Cherry Blossom of the Arctic and Akitsumikami Bkphysics Daikos Shane-o D34th of Anarchism Joe Stupid MercyFallout Lincongrad MagicFriend of Tokiopia Gairyuki of Aeropolis Sky Nation Ferrous Hawkenstein Carnegie Xavii of Tiltakslos Lysotine Paxis Uncle Stalin Eric Bunker, Director of Tritonia Will Smith The Mongol Swedes Boogeyman657 of BeanTown Nation Tator of the dynasty of old Ventus ex Gutter Schattenmann Wolfprince Voodoo Nova Supa_Troop3r of Supa_Land Yankeesfan924 of Yankees Empire Nolissar Ddog241 Cs1177 Potentate Papa of BlueGrassMotherland LOXC5991 Hombre de Murcielago King Andrew IV Alicia Njndirish Revanche Caliph Duncan King Rotavele General Ozujsko of Ozujsko Melutar Roquentin KingSrqt Neneko Commisar Gaunt Zaphod Czar Aleksander Magical Muslim Raiizn of Meeitocia TheGrayAngel Maksim Vulkan Fokker Aeroplanbau SF Austin for the people of the Republic of Brazos Charles the Great TheSkippy Methax Sulmar Froggor Samuel Houston Linden16 of Kiljarit Typtamine Count da Silva Rommelgrad Keshav of Articuno Islands Crown Prince Mishka of Tygaland Valdemar of Risskovia Stumpy Jung Il imatt15 of West Samnor Guffey of Arimias Ricardo Jyrinx Mandellav WhatOnceWas Danizduhman DrakeZ07 Stuart Mack Truck Margrave General Specific Avenger10364 Craven of the Land of Lightning Smooth Yesitsbobby Lord Valentine Elpadrino Jeeooh Darkova Horatio II CptGodzilla Francesca Max Rockontansky Working Class Ruler ScutterBug John Mathews Lockeria Wilhelm1908 Meyer0095 Emperor Brutus Starcraftmazter of DPRK MutedFaith Terveis Das Girl of Acornia Mattski133 Master exploder Lycurgus Rex Emperor Brutus Fulgrim of Chemos Aimee Mann of The Forgotten Arm The Last Spartan Mozaffar Hasin Nizzle Ender land Nadabethyname EmperorVIcious Shilo Jaguar10301 of SoxNation (MaineGOP) G money HellAngel Nc1701 of The Agency MOTU-Man SirDog CelenAzrael Fine Arts Prodigal Moon Timmehhh of Pilsmania Brinoceros Icheliebebrad of B 2the AnK Boondock Krim Xephon Lord Caspian Epiphanus Kahn Caesar833 Nick1a Deadlyyoutlaw Danish ChairmanHal of the Haleenstar Republic Lord Rune PrototyoeRuler Kolia Farvazov A Soviet Attack Emperor Chou Astronaut Jones of the Will Smith Empire Valkyrie9002 of Tyland Yossarian Menwearpink135 Sammykhalifa of Largeblackdott JoeBonanno of Hydro Rynka Desdenova Esukaresu Kerschbs BarbulaM1 of Centennial Arturion of Arturia JakeFeatherston[Fallin] of Trojan Confederacy Reachwind Derwood1 of Woodutopia Ochocinco Killer Monkey Land Dementual Sang Java President Kent Agafaba Sitethief of Vylixan Max Beck of Superhate, The Hate Jack Diorno of Shireland Xoindotnler O-Dog of Dogtonia Poyplemonkeys Alfie Riddle Sdanderson of andersonia Audran Remla Telchar of Bauhaus Lord Yod Manwell of Reketzvia Badbrownies of the Ironlock Stronghold Megametal26 of Cowlander TimLee Drakedeath of Drakoria Prodigy.NL of Prodded Evil uncle tom TheStig Kencojenko Tromp OneBallMan The damned Doitzel Cooksonthegreat of cooks confederacy Psweet, of Brandenburg ConeBone69 Anenu Josh the Great FrozenBoy Mariowpower1 Snowbeast Aeternalis Drai Grand Duke Nevsky The Corrupt Teacher Calixo Miriais Jackyseto123 Azreal, The Unforgiven King Death II Logan Hayate Optical Liam Riordan Gears of War Free Quebec Wappas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidman Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I don't have a long list to post, but back on topic, Congratulations JB, unless that is you even think wrong of IRON or her allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 They do:WarriorConcept of Warriors Penlugue Solaris Ejayrazz Electron Sponge Vilien Dochartaigh Emperor of Neo Keltica Sileath HeraclesTheGreat Sandwich Controversy Steodonn Nintenderek Svendonia JackSkellington Alaric the Great Redoran Lennox Cataduanes Mao Zedong Van Hoo III Blacky ModusOperandi youwish959 ruler of Hillbilly Hell Balder of Hringhorni New Frontier Jason8 Moridin of Arafel M. Dé Javu, Foreign Minister, Kingdom of Seria (BobJanova) President Obama Zigbigadorlou Frozen-rpg of Knights of St. John Merovingian of Burgundy deSouza Impero Jon Archer Jacko of The Ocean (Jacques Cousteau) Fireguy15207 of Nation of Allen MegaAros Magnet of Magodonia Loodoyaye II Draztikus of Molle-Achterbosch Sargon of Akkad SpiderJerusalem AllenKalashnikov Pansos the Pink King Penchuk of the Proxian Empire Hertugen of Salernoland Chimaera Deruvian of Sezchronne uaciaut Shodemofi Rebel Virginia Adrian LaCroix maxnmike of Isle of Chance President Dendodge of The Free land of Dendodgia Facade Arsenal of the ODN James Wilson of The Wilson Empire Machiabelly New Reverie of New Reverie Virillus 4SnwL Tornado Xerxer Mrcalkin Litha Riddle of Enigmathena Shamshir Jayovfennay of Rawmeng Gerald Meane Starfox101 of Burbank 2burnt2eat Morte Chief Savage Man Salmia Willirica JohnWinthrop of Hoohoointhehaha Darth Maul Jordite Freelancer of The Sepritists Gabriel Carver Sharduke of Drae Ada Jason Salovsky Mechanus of Adeptes Mechanicus Sal Paradise Tarikmo Slavic Monarch Chunky Monkey of Internetia King Arentak Vakadonis of Vakadonia Maicke Mamaev II Quiziotle Mr3looc of Leinenkugel NickCooley of Alcimoennis Charles VI Marcus Guildenstern Chickenzilla Jerdge Trouble Terrible Lord LeVentNoir of Imperial Wellington Floatsam Theragu40 phillip110 Arrnea of The Barony of Arrnea Sithis Merlin Helpma Cookavich Illuminatus 519 Nigras Sorum Medraut Mogar Ajaxpenny Ninja Colt Gabe Logan KitKatFox of KitKatLand Marty McFly Cowen70 SamFisher202 Goose Ragashingo Sarkin DinendelDucky Katsumi, Protector of Chokan, Cherry Blossom of the Arctic and Akitsumikami Bkphysics Daikos Shane-o D34th of Anarchism Joe Stupid MercyFallout Lincongrad MagicFriend of Tokiopia Gairyuki of Aeropolis Sky Nation Ferrous Hawkenstein Carnegie Xavii of Tiltakslos Lysotine Paxis Uncle Stalin Eric Bunker, Director of Tritonia Will Smith The Mongol Swedes Boogeyman657 of BeanTown Nation Tator of the dynasty of old Ventus ex Gutter Schattenmann Wolfprince Voodoo Nova Supa_Troop3r of Supa_Land Yankeesfan924 of Yankees Empire Nolissar Ddog241 Cs1177 Potentate Papa of BlueGrassMotherland LOXC5991 Hombre de Murcielago King Andrew IV Alicia Njndirish Revanche Caliph Duncan King Rotavele General Ozujsko of Ozujsko Melutar Roquentin KingSrqt Neneko Commisar Gaunt Zaphod Czar Aleksander Magical Muslim Raiizn of Meeitocia TheGrayAngel Maksim Vulkan Fokker Aeroplanbau SF Austin for the people of the Republic of Brazos Charles the Great TheSkippy Methax Sulmar Froggor Samuel Houston Linden16 of Kiljarit Typtamine Count da Silva Rommelgrad Keshav of Articuno Islands Crown Prince Mishka of Tygaland Valdemar of Risskovia Stumpy Jung Il imatt15 of West Samnor Guffey of Arimias Ricardo Jyrinx Mandellav WhatOnceWas Danizduhman DrakeZ07 Stuart Mack Truck Margrave General Specific Avenger10364 Craven of the Land of Lightning Smooth Yesitsbobby Lord Valentine Elpadrino Jeeooh Darkova Horatio II CptGodzilla Francesca Max Rockontansky Working Class Ruler ScutterBug John Mathews Lockeria Wilhelm1908 Meyer0095 Emperor Brutus Starcraftmazter of DPRK MutedFaith Terveis Das Girl of Acornia Mattski133 Master exploder Lycurgus Rex Emperor Brutus Fulgrim of Chemos Aimee Mann of The Forgotten Arm The Last Spartan Mozaffar Hasin Nizzle Ender land Nadabethyname EmperorVIcious Shilo Jaguar10301 of SoxNation (MaineGOP) G money HellAngel Nc1701 of The Agency MOTU-Man SirDog CelenAzrael Fine Arts Prodigal Moon Timmehhh of Pilsmania Brinoceros Icheliebebrad of B 2the AnK Boondock Krim Xephon Lord Caspian Epiphanus Kahn Caesar833 Nick1a Deadlyyoutlaw Danish ChairmanHal of the Haleenstar Republic Lord Rune PrototyoeRuler Kolia Farvazov A Soviet Attack Emperor Chou Astronaut Jones of the Will Smith Empire Valkyrie9002 of Tyland Yossarian Menwearpink135 Sammykhalifa of Largeblackdott JoeBonanno of Hydro Rynka Desdenova Esukaresu Kerschbs BarbulaM1 of Centennial Arturion of Arturia JakeFeatherston[Fallin] of Trojan Confederacy Reachwind Derwood1 of Woodutopia Ochocinco Killer Monkey Land Dementual Sang Java President Kent Agafaba Sitethief of Vylixan Max Beck of Superhate, The Hate Jack Diorno of Shireland Xoindotnler O-Dog of Dogtonia Poyplemonkeys Alfie Riddle Sdanderson of andersonia Audran Remla Telchar of Bauhaus Lord Yod Manwell of Reketzvia Badbrownies of the Ironlock Stronghold Megametal26 of Cowlander TimLee Drakedeath of Drakoria Prodigy.NL of Prodded Evil uncle tom TheStig Kencojenko Tromp OneBallMan The damned Doitzel Cooksonthegreat of cooks confederacy Psweet, of Brandenburg ConeBone69 Anenu Josh the Great FrozenBoy Mariowpower1 Snowbeast Aeternalis Drai Grand Duke Nevsky The Corrupt Teacher Calixo Miriais Jackyseto123 Azreal, The Unforgiven King Death II Logan Hayate Optical Liam Riordan Gears of War Free Quebec Wappas I will admit, that was a crafty response. And I quoted it because there is ALWAYS that lazy dude who hates scrolling. Yes you guy, I am looking at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakunin's Dream Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 They do: Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 They do:*snip* I've decided to withdraw my signature from this, I would have posted in the original thread but that'd be a gravedig. I'm a flip-flopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 They shouldn't. It's 100% irrelevant to everything and a convenient bogeyman that there would be a ready replacement for if it went away overnight. It's irrelevant now? Pardon me, but I for one really don't like sitting back when I see things done against those who can't fight back. Often oppression which is done to people I have never even met. Doesn't make it any less relevant to me. Can't look out for yourself only, then you'll find yourself alone. What is done to others affects all. We'll all be sought after sooner or later. As for your second point, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. EZI isn't the only policy people are disagreeing with right now. Pretty much every policy (except from NPO protection of unaligned red nations) people find to be completely despicable. Viceroys, beat downs, yadda yadda. This dissent is not over just the EZI issue. It is over everything combined. All the offenses of the hegemony have over time added up and finally boiled over. People are just plain sick of it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoiL Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. They may be a part of different alliances but they are all a part of the same gameworld of Planet Bob. Edited April 15, 2009 by SpoiL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Congratulations JB. And a good decision from IRON as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. How do you figure EZI/PZI is internal? I will admit, that was a crafty response. And I quoted it because there is ALWAYS that lazy dude who hates scrolling. Yes you guy, I am looking at you. Heh, be glad I'm too lazy to look up member rosters of the signatories of the ZIPP, it would be ten times as long. Edited April 15, 2009 by Lord Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakunin's Dream Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 It's irrelevant now? Pardon me, but I for one really don't like sitting back when I see things done against those who can't fight back. Often oppression which is done to people I have never even met. Doesn't make it any less relevant to me. Can't look out for yourself only, then you'll find yourself alone. What is done to others affects all. We'll all be sought after sooner or later.As for your second point, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. EZI isn't the only policy people are disagreeing with right now. Pretty much every policy (except from NPO protection of unaligned red nations) people find to be completely despicable. Viceroys, beat downs, yadda yadda. This dissent is not over just the EZI issue. It is over everything combined. All the offenses of the hegemony have over time added up and finally boiled over. People are just plain sick of it now. Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakunin's Dream Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 How do you figure EZI/PZI is internal? It's internal in exactly the same way that any alliance dealing with a rogue is internal. I don't tell other alliances how they can and cannot punish people who mess with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Walz Pants Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I know, IRON are horrible people. Man I hate those guys. We'll be watching you now. Good luck JB and congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. I think in affect stopping people from playing the game would count as world police and it does affect the world since if you haven't noticed alliances tend to not have people on PZI/EZI lists in their alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list. Even one person on a ZI list is reprehensible. But then it also seems like you misread. He did say that he was talking about most of your alliance's policies as a whole, not just the policy of using a ZI list. [edit]Does Vox count against that five people you requested?[/edit] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 You're wrong Doitzel.IRON does not persue across re-rolls. If he had rerolled into a different persona, 1, we wouldn't have known, and 2, even if we did find out about him, if he wasn't doing anything to harm IRON at the time, there's a very good chance that he'd be ignored. But no, that doesn't meet your needs or your propaganda needs. So you'll just continue to spin. [22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> In IRON the term PZI and EZI are synonymous [22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> And the onlyway to get off is a majority vote of the council [22:12] <Jonathan_Brookbank> So what do PZI and EZI mean to IRON? [22:13] <Iamthey[iRON]> A PZI is a permenant ZI on all current and future characters of the individual What was that about spin? Maybe you should get your stories straight. Yeah, being "world police" is when you deliberate internally about matters that concern you and decide what to do about it. It's certainly not when you try to dictate other alliances' policy to them. I mean, I'm certain there would be no criticism at all if we did that. I wasn't aware that waging a perpetual war against other alliances and nations was an internal matter. I was, however, aware that it interferes with their ability to operate as sovereign entities and that more often than not it disheartens them and drives them away, or else spurs them on toward more insidious methods. Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. Yeah! You might even go as far as placing Viceroys on other alliances or re-draw their charters to make them in your own image. Oh wait, you do do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. Not really an internal policy when considering that those who are being EZIed really aren't a part of that alliance, and hence become a foreign entity. Plus, as for your own internal policies, I don't see anybody trying to interfere. People strongly disagree, but I have yet to see any viceroys placed on your alliance or given surrender terms forcing a change in policy. But yes, yes, enough. Let's talk about how you interfere with the internal policies of other alliances. I love it when I get to point out hypocrisy. Let's see. MK's first strike nuke policy. If you consider EZI to be an internal policy, then the nuke policy is one too. You issued a surrender term to have it stricken from charter. Strike one. Then you issue numerous viceroys, having complete oversight on the internal procedures of numerous defeated alliances. Strike two. GGA. Need I say anymore? That's strike three. Thanks for playing Bak. We ought to do this again sometime. It's been a blast. And please, don't feel bad about this. You'll always be a winner in books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 They shouldn't. It's 100% irrelevant to everything and a convenient bogeyman that there would be a ready replacement for if it went away overnight. This community is more than capable of deciding what's relevant to ir and what isn't by itself, thanks. Also, I hope to see the above list grow beyond 337 names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list. GOONS Both, and for the GGA too. You may not actually list them, but it's obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list. Is the murder of one man somehow less worse than the murder of one hundred? It doesn't matter how many or how few you do this to. It is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakunin's Dream Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Even one person on a ZI list is reprehensible. But then it also seems like you misread. He did say that he was talking about most of your alliance's policies as a whole, not just the policy of using a ZI list. I guess the difference between you and me is that I don't count one person who is probably on such a list for a very good reason as THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD LET'S MAKE 100 THREADS ABOUT THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT FOR YEARS. And I didn't misread; I just know a derailment attempt when I see and sometimes I can stop myself from taking the bait. [edit]Does Vox count against that five people you requested?[/edit] You're the majority but that won't quite get you to five! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finster Baby Posted April 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 [22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> In IRON the term PZI and EZI are synonymous[22:12] <Iamthey[iRON]> And the onlyway to get off is a majority vote of the council [22:12] <Jonathan_Brookbank> So what do PZI and EZI mean to IRON? [22:13] <Iamthey[iRON]> A PZI is a permenant ZI on all current and future characters of the individual While I do not like to hang an IRON Councilor out to dry, he gave JB bad information. The individual was advised privately that he gave out poor information and was told the policy. Mistakes do happen, none of us are perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Cool, good thing I'm not a "world policeman" or else I might be trying to meddle in their internal policies. OOC: It's not an internal policy. Alliances aren't putting their own nations on EZI. And it's not an IC policy either. Alliances are deciding that they are Admin and can decide who can and who can't play this game. It is an offense against fair play and this community of gamers. EZI is an OOC attack and the only OOC attack the community should concern itself with. Everything else belongs to the mods, the law or should be dealt with by growing some thicker skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakunin's Dream Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Is the murder of one man somehow less worse than the murder of one hundred? It doesn't matter how many or how few you do this to. It is wrong. I'm not accepting the validity of your analogy because murder is hardly comparable to punishing someone for their actions, but all things considered, yeah it probably would have been better if you could have stopped the holocaust than if you could stop one person somewhere from dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Name five people on the NPO's perma-ZI list and five people on IRON's perma-ZI list. If you want our memberlist you only need to ask in unambiguous terms. It's funny, though. If you'd asked this two months ago we'd have no problem. Interesting that you've let so many people off lately, considering ... what was it? "Nobody cares"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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