Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 This is strictly food for thought. It will probably seem hugely bias, but I don't mean it that way. I have the utmost respect for the New Sith Orders and it's members. However it seems that every channel I am in, at least once a night it is brought up that the New Sith Order is some how going to bring change to the current climate. Whether that will be achieved or not is unknown, the question I seek to shine light on is, if NSO is going to bring change, what kind of change? Looking at the government of the New Sith Order I don't find it shocking that many of those that were at one point the movers and shakers of the political world are now in power in the New Sith Order. So is it real change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Whether that will be achieved or not is unknown, the question I seek to shine light on is, if NSO is going to bring change, what kind of change? What kind of change do you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 What kind of change do you want? I personally don't seek change, I know that regardless change will happen, there are those who try and direct the change, those who stand in the way of it, and those of us who simply ride the current. Change is the only thing that is predictable in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I have a few dimes, but I prefer paper instead of coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I have a few dimes, but I prefer paper instead of coin. That says a lot about you as a person. Your paper has no value, only what your told it has. Coins of gold and silver will hold their value far longer than your paper will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 That says a lot about you as a person. Your paper has no value, only what your told it has. Coins of gold and silver will hold their value far longer than your paper will. "A coin is a piece of hard material, usually metal or a metallic material, usually in the shape of a disc, and most often issued by a government." I can write on paper. I cannot write on coin easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reachwind Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cybernations is a river that has become frozen. Our order merely wishes to be an agent for the much needed thaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 "A coin is a piece of hard material, usually metal or a metallic material, usually in the shape of a disc, and most often issued by a government."I can write on paper. I cannot write on coin easily. Write on your paper all you will, it does not change it's value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan the Barbeque Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Write on your paper all you will, it does not change it's value. Tell that to an artist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cybernations is a river that has become frozen. Our order merely wishes to be an agent for the much needed thaw. Even a seemingly frozen river has current underneath, just because you can't see the change does not mean that it does not exist. Your Order is simply a rock in the river, changing the course of a small portion of the flow, not the over all current, or at least that is my take on the NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Write on your paper all you will, it does not change it's value. A sheet of paper costs .003 cents per sheet (for one kind). I can pay a penny and get four sheets. If Michael Vick had signed these sheets I could sell them for $25,000 on eBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Tell that to an artist It is not the writing on the paper that gives the art value, it is the interpenetration of the art, not all art is good art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 It is not the writing on the paper that gives the art value, it is the interpenetration of the art, not all art is good art. Depends upon the perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 A sheet of paper costs .003 cents per sheet (for one kind).I can pay a penny and get four sheets. If Michael Vick had signed these sheets I could sell them for $25,000 on eBay. your really trying with this one, its not the value of the paper that changes it's who's name is on the paper. Eliminate the signature and the paper is worthless, Eliminate the paper and the signature still holds value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Wolfe Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 It is not the writing on the paper that gives the art value, it is the interpenetration of the art, not all art is good art. That is completely subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'll be honest, I don't think they're stealthy enough for change. No sith are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Wolfe Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'll be honest, I don't think they're stealthy enough for change. No sith are. Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Depends upon the perception. Yes, my above reply suits this as well, remove the art the paper is again worthless, the art can thrive without the paper look at inner city murals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan the Barbeque Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 It is not the writing on the paper that gives the art value, it is the interpenetration of the art, not all art is good art. The interpenetration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 your really trying with this one, its not the value of the paper that changes it's who's name is on the paper. Eliminate the signature and the paper is worthless, Eliminate the paper and the signature still holds value. Eliminate the paper and there is no signature either. There is nothing of value. The paper has changed from .003c, to $25,000, to 0c. Can you come up with a real argument other than nonsensical replies vaguely alluding to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) The Dark Side only exists if you leave the light off, even the pledge of the Sith shows a desire of being complete, only with balance can you find your center Edited March 20, 2009 by Dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphod Beeblebrox OLD Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Even a seemingly frozen river has current underneath, just because you can't see the change does not mean that it does not exist. Your Order is simply a rock in the river, changing the course of a small portion of the flow, not the over all current, or at least that is my take on the NSO. Is change always happening? Certainly. But often it takes a catalyst for a reaction to take place, and the New Sith Order is that catalyst. By seeking to forge our own policies which do not merely imitate others, we accelerate change by creating new precedents for how alliances should be run. Also I agree with whatever Sargun says. Words to live by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side. I'm trying to help you be stealthy, man, come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Wolfe Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) I'm trying to help you be stealthy, man, come on. You opened yourself up to that obligatory Star Wars quote. Edited March 20, 2009 by Isaac Wolfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Is change always happening? Certainly. But often it takes a catalyst for a reaction to take place, and the New Sith Order is that catalyst. By seeking to forge our own policies which do not merely imitate others, we accelerate change by creating new precedents for how alliances should be run.Also I agree with whatever Sargun says. Words to live by. Change will provide it's own catalyst, whether you are or are not that catalyst, remains to be unseen. Here is a real question for you though, are your policies a change? or does the larger society simply make an exception to the methods FAN and Vox have established, when used by you simply because the larger society wishes to integrate you into its self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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