Sumeragi Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 There has been instances when a nation has given another nation ships or nukes. I have a suggestion on this issue. Have the giver restrict his number of ships/nukes by the number he gave. This means that if I gave a nation a battleship and a nuke, I'll have to knock off that number from my IG limit. I believe that this suggestion, if implicated, needs to be retrespective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I mostly agree with the OP. Giving up an entire nuclear arsenal to allies, and then building a new one, or an entire navy to sell and keep your own is absurd. That said, one or two ships, or a nuke or two seems reasonable (But without proper IG improvements to keep navy, the boats should decay, as should nukes). My Two Cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I say you can't give them away at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) I say you can't give them away at all. Why, because it has no known precedent in RL? Edited March 12, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I know this is an attempt to stop recognition of Triyun giving away his UFE assets, which includes his navy, money, and nukes. I DO recognize it. And yes, especially because I get nukes out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) I know this is an attempt to stop recognition of Triyun giving away his UFE assets, which includes his navy, money, and nukes. I DO recognize it. And yes, especially because I get nukes out of it. That's exatly why your opinion shouldn't be counted...you have an ulterior motive... Just kidding. In all seriousness, I think that within the terms Sumer outlines, it's acceptable. Edited March 12, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why, because it has no known precedent in RL? Who said anything about RL? Nukes and navy = what you have ingame. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 All I can say is can we please quit the whining and just accept the fact that now Triyun, a member of the New Pacific Order, and former Imperial Officer thereof, gave his nuclear arsenal and navy to other nations upon his relocation to the Ukraine? This has happened before, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) All I can say is can we please quit the whining and just accept the fact that now Triyun, a member of the New Pacific Order, and former Imperial Officer thereof, gave his nuclear arsenal and navy to other nations upon his relocation to the Ukraine?This has happened before, you know. We wouldn't mind if Triyun didn't rebuild his ENTIRE navy and nuclear arsenal in his new nation. It's the same thing with you: You can't use your full IG strength since you gave stuff to Triyun. This isn't whining, this is an attack against hypocrisy, where one says we need to follow IG stats and yet attempts to use loopholes to dump weapons on people who can't have them. Edited March 12, 2009 by Sumeragi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) Ok then Slavorussia's full navy is reinstated. An assortment of aircraft carriers, battleships, destroyers, submarines, frigates and cruisers. I'll determine what my country can realisticly support soon. Edit: Also since im one of the principal invaders of Nordland i confiscated Nord Nukes... lets say 2. Edited March 12, 2009 by Justinian the Mighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebiv Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I'll leave Sargun to blast this idea of using 2x someone's IG stats. Anyways, Triyun is still supporting those nukes and ships with his IG stats. Those nukes he gave away are his entire IG nukes. There are no nukes he can build. I'm personally more in favor of banning giving stuff away all together. If not, I request my ruling that I cannot use Ile de Noir's old stuff be repealed. They were officially given to me, but I could not RP them because I could not transfer those stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok then Slavorussia's full navy is reinstated. An assortment of aircraft carriers, battleships, destroyers, submarines, frigates and cruisers.I'll determine what my country can realisticly support soon. *Whispers into Justinian's ear* "Support IG-wise, that is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) That's exatly why your opinion shouldn't be counted...you have an ulterior motive... Just kidding. In all seriousness, I think that within the terms Sumer outlines, it's acceptable. I find it interesting that nobody seemed to object to Mercy and Gebiv possesing such nukes. Edit: Also my navy was never sunk, nobody engaged it during the war Sumer. Edited March 12, 2009 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I find it interesting that nobody seemed to object to Mercy and Gebiv possesing such nukes. Actually, a number of people objected to it. It just wasn't always visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I find it interesting that nobody seemed to object to Mercy and Gebiv possesing such nukes. I've always objected giving nukes without consequences on the giver. You just happened to do the biggest version of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebiv Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I find it interesting that nobody seemed to object to Mercy and Gebiv possesing such nukes.Edit: Also my navy was never sunk, nobody engaged it during the war Sumer. My nukes were deducted from those who sold them to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V The King Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Eh, as far as I'm concerned, there was a consent that navies/nukes couldn't be given, but Mercy, Gebiv and Uberstein's nukes were grandfathered, or something like that. Anyways, I'm wholly opposed to giving away nukes - unless they are very few in quantity and yield at best as much as the bomb dropped in Hiroshima - and navies, only if they are few completely out of date (WWII). Why, because it has no known precedent in RL? Why can't I experiment with futuristic weapons, invest extremely heavily in my nation in order to yield a much higher GDP, have a huge army, navy, airforce, etc.? All of those are feasible and done in IRL... Wait, in-game stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok then Slavorussia's full navy is reinstated. An assortment of aircraft carriers, battleships, destroyers, submarines, frigates and cruisers.I'll determine what my country can realisticly support soon. Edit: Also since im one of the principal invaders of Nordland i confiscated Nord Nukes... lets say 2. Is it safe for me to assume nobody has a problem with this? *Whispers into Justinian's ear*"Support IG-wise, that is." *grabs and huggles* of course, of course! /perv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 IF you give away units, you should be forced to RP as if your new nation did not have what you gave away. Hence, if you give away a navy, your new re roll cannot have a navy. If you give away nukes, your reroll has less that number of nukes. its simple book keeping. Sum of units in RP = sum of units IG. Else units are coming form nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) Even as cofounder of Cybernations naval roleplay I’m not allowed to play a navy my nation doesn’t have ingame. Edited March 12, 2009 by Generalissimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Nukes and navy = what you have ingame. End of story. Agreed - and ditto for tech. This whole transferring of things has no in-game basis whatsoever. It is just done because some folks want everything and are unwilling to RP with what they have based on their in-game stats </end rant> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis777 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I agree with sticking with the IG stats in this argument... it only makes sense and cuts back on the OOC arguments that can crop up later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 As HK-47 said, navies are only what you have in-game. With that being said, I told Triyun he couldn't give away his navy (any part of it) because of HK's ruling. For nukes, I support if you give it away you can't rebuild it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 For nukes, I support if you give it away you can't rebuild it. Why would nukes be any different than giving away ships? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why would nukes be any different than giving away ships? Because a mod ruled on ships directly. We've given nukes before and taken it away from our in-game count, it was done reasonably and I see no reason to "fix" it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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