kevin32891 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 WUT I miss those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Considering that Hyperion isn't in Sparta .gov, your classification of him as one of Sparta's leaders is still incorrect. He's a respected member, yes, but not a government member and leader. Doh. I could have sworn he was in leadership. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I find it ironic that spying in Q has actually increased flow of information within rather than cutting it down, again TWiP helps sustain the 'hegemony' in so many ways, we should facilitate TWiP really! Increasing the flow of information isn't inherently a good or bad thing, however the idea that TWiP is helpful is quite a stretch of logic by any means given the negative slant of the content. I don't think any rational being will honestly believe otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I find it ironic that spying in Q has actually increased flow of information within rather than cutting it down, again TWiP helps sustain the 'hegemony' in so many ways, we should facilitate TWiP really! What were you trying to prove with this statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savethecheerleader Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Doh. I could have sworn he was in leadership. Meh. He was at one point... head of the military I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Increasing the flow of information isn't inherently a good or bad thing, however the idea that TWiP is helpful is quite a stretch of logic by any means given the negative slant of the content. I don't think any rational being will honestly believe otherwise. Basically all the usual suspects have been left reeling and only the most bold are venturing out to try the derails/damage control/nitpicking/incoherency. Thus you are left with statements like that. First TWiP is boring, it's also old regardless of the first story being 2 days old, there is no spy anymore, the spy is probably a double agent, we're using more private comms now, we're more open than ever now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 But I thought Vox was irrelevant. *Captain Flinders' mind is blown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) But I thought Vox was irrelevant. They have a certain relevance in the court of public opinion, although the relevance of PO is limited. Politically, militarily, and otherwise they have little to no relevance. Edited March 4, 2009 by Count da Silva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Increasing the flow of information isn't inherently a good or bad thing, however the idea that TWiP is helpful is quite a stretch of logic by any means given the negative slant of the content. I don't think any rational being will honestly believe otherwise. It being helpful would depend on what one hopes to accomplish I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 They have a certain relevance in the court of public opinion, although the relevance of PO is limited. Politically, militarily, and otherwise they have little to no relevance. Public Opinion certainly influences politics around here, and politics certainly have an effect on military actions. So, you were saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 They have a certain relevance in the court of public opinion, although the relevance of PO is limited. Politically, militarily, and otherwise they have little to no relevance. Rather, we have a certain influence in the battle for minds. Politically, militarily, and otherwise there is no better influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Rather, we have a certain influence in the battle for minds. Politically, militarily, and otherwise there is no better influence. The sort of minds you are battling over tend to be self-limiting. The minds you want to target are the winners, leaders and intellects, the people who have real power and influence. To target them you need a real ideology that appeals to them, or offer something that has tangible benefit to their self interests. The sort of people Vox influences now are people who are not capable of being at the top, whether due to self imposed limitations like refusing to advance their interests for irrational reasons, or incompetence, or emotions and youth. Even if you were to influence so many people that you had a popular uprising (rather unlikely) you still need the higher category of individuals to lead it to victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 The sort of minds you are battling over tend to be self-limiting. The minds you want to target are the winners, leaders and intellects, the people who have real power and influence. To target them you need a real ideology that appeals to them, or offer something that has tangible benefit to their self interests.The sort of people Vox influences now are people who are not capable of being at the top, whether due to self imposed limitations like refusing to advance their interests for irrational reasons, or incompetence, or emotions and youth. Even if you were to influence so many people that you had a popular uprising (rather unlikely) you still need the higher category of individuals to lead it to victory. Fortunately for Vox, they have you to gather support for their movement whenever their own efforts fail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Fortunately for Vox, they have you to gather support for their movement whenever their own efforts fail... Wow. Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 The sort of minds you are battling over tend to be self-limiting. The minds you want to target are the winners, leaders and intellects, the people who have real power and influence. To target them you need a real ideology that appeals to them, or offer something that has tangible benefit to their self interests.The sort of people Vox influences now are people who are not capable of being at the top, whether due to self imposed limitations like refusing to advance their interests for irrational reasons, or incompetence, or emotions and youth. Even if you were to influence so many people that you had a popular uprising (rather unlikely) you still need the higher category of individuals to lead it to victory. And yet people in the top 30 leaders on the planet are sending me intel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Fortunately for Vox, they have you to gather support for their movement whenever their own efforts fail... :lol: even if that were the case that support would fall under the self-neutralizing category. Considering the fact I've yet to see anything of value offered to right-minded leaders, or any ideology that would appeal to influential intellectuals, I'm not particularly concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 And yet people in the top 30 leaders on the planet are sending me intel. And Doitzel is reporting back to me regarding the success of my counter Intel operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 :lol: even if that were the case that support would fall under the self-neutralizing category. Considering the fact I've yet to see anything of value offered to right-minded leaders, or any ideology that would appeal to influential intellectuals, I'm not particularly concerned. Ha! Thats right everyone. Count da Silva doesn't see it so it must not exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Ha! Thats right everyone. Count da Silva doesn't see it so it must not exist! Your sarcasm highlights your lack of understanding proper scientific analysis of reality. It is not up to me to prove your claim wrong; it is up to you to prove your claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian LaCroix Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Fortunately for Vox, they have you to gather support for their movement whenever their own efforts fail... I laughed out loud. These things are always entertaining, if only to see the play between the Vox folk and their detractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Politically, militarily, and otherwise they have little to no relevance. That's not what the screenshots say. In fact, they say the exact opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 That's not what the screenshots say. In fact, they say the exact opposite. Taking and revealing screenshots is not equivalent to relevance, that's just journalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Your sarcasm highlights your lack of understanding proper scientific analysis of reality. It is not up to me to prove your claim wrong; it is up to you to prove your claim. I always do love when my opponents abandon their argument and resort to silly logic like this. But whatever. Two questions: 1. Which claim of mine have I asked you to prove wrong? 2. Which claim of mine are you wanting me to prove right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Taking and revealing screenshots is not equivalent to relevance, that's just journalism. Journalism. How silly of me to not realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Taking and revealing screenshots is not equivalent to relevance, that's just journalism. The content of the screenshots matters in this case. In those shots it was revealed that Vox's enemies do consider them relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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