Corinan Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 You and you "allies" are a traitor to what Pacifica was and you deserve nothing less. I've actually always thought I represented what Pacifica used to be like. If anything we've grown a bit more compassionate under Emperor Revenge. This can be seen as a good or bad thing depending on your view. I think most consider this a good thing, especially if you were around for the alternatives. Seriously, were you around for Emperor Ivan? Count your blessings that you're dealing with benevolent Emperor Revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I've actually always thought I represented what Pacifica used to be like. If anything we've grown a bit more compassionate under Emperor Revenge. This can be seen as a good or bad thing depending on your view. I think most consider this a good thing, especially if you were around for the alternatives.Seriously, were you around for Emperor Ivan? Count your blessings that you're dealing with benevolent Emperor Revenge. Yes, I actually was. I remember Ivan. Mild mannered car salesman by day, ebil dictator by night. I remember how he was heavy handed just like Moo, but knew when to back down. Key point was after GW1. He knew he messed up. It seems the idea of being incorrect doesn't apply to Moo's system of governing and that he would rather condemn his whole alliance to failure than admit he might have gone about things wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yes, I actually was. I remember Ivan. Mild mannered car salesman by day, ebil dictator by night. I remember how he was heavy handed just like Moo, but knew when to back down. Key point was after GW1. He knew he messed up. It seems the idea of being incorrect doesn't apply to Moo's system of governing and that he would rather condemn his whole alliance to failure than admit he might have gone about things wrong. As much as every person and their deranged sibling would love to jump on the anti-NPO bandwagon, it is useless, and you aren't helping your case at all. Last I checked NPO hasn't had to admit to short-comings because they have had very few, if any at all. Though it's not necessarily 'might makes right', it's not them monopolizing the game and ruining your experience. Moo is essentially different than Moldavi because logic mandates they are not two-in-the-same. They are two sovereign autonomous entities, unless they are the same person. Seriously, get off your heated high horse and stop throwing inadequate accusations around. I like Vox, don't sully my opinion with the frivolous berate-fest you've been having so much fun with, no matter how 'logically sound' your arguments are. There are some arguments that you are right, but have to concede for the sake of sanity (I know that kind of goes against the whole Vox Populi philosophy that no one should be told to be quiet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Moo is essentially different than Moldavi because logic mandates they are not two-in-the-same. They are two sovereign autonomous entities, unless they are the same person. Um, I agree? I never said they were the same. I am pointing out that Ivan was better at the job than Moo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Um, I agree? I never said they were the same. I am pointing out that Ivan was better at the job than Moo. The face was placed in there to emphasize sarcasm on that one part. What I was pointing out is that Moo essentially works entirely differently than Moldavi, and comparing the two is kind of stupid in my opinion. But hey, to each their own. I wasn't as savvy as to how Moldavi acted in his day-to-day evil dictator phase of life, so they may be similar and indeed up for comparison. /me shrugs It's inconsequential, really, because it is what it is. You say Moldavi was better, fine, but Moo is the here and now, and nothing is changing that from what I can see. Though I think it's safe to say that this is beyond the scope of the OP, so I'll stop here. My b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 As much as every person and their deranged sibling would love to jump on the anti-NPO bandwagon, it is useless, and you aren't helping your case at all. Last I checked NPO hasn't had to admit to short-comings because they have had very few, if any at all. Though it's not necessarily 'might makes right', it's not them monopolizing the game and ruining your experience. Moo is essentially different than Moldavi because logic mandates they are not two-in-the-same. They are two sovereign autonomous entities, unless they are the same person. Seriously, get off your heated high horse and stop throwing inadequate accusations around. I like Vox, don't sully my opinion with the frivolous berate-fest you've been having so much fun with, no matter how 'logically sound' your arguments are. There are some arguments that you are right, but have to concede for the sake of sanity (I know that kind of goes against the whole Vox Populi philosophy that no one should be told to be quiet). Dude, even Pacifica does say they have no flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Dude, even Pacifica does say they have no flaws. If you are referring to Vladimir, then you've proven me wrong. I'm not talking about his walls of infinite text that makes our eyes bleed. I was focusing more so on the way their government has handled things as opposed to the body itself. Flawless can always be argued via semantics and perspective. No one is perfect, not even Pacifica (I mean look at the recent spy situation--they didn't find out about the spy until the spy themselves spoke up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Um, I agree? I never said they were the same. I am pointing out that Ivan was better at the job than Moo. Hear this, Moo? Vox thinks you aren't ruthless enough. Edited February 17, 2009 by Count da Silva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Baron Uberstein likely made a series of honest mistakes, as alliances do not currently post ZI targeted nations. To prevent mistakes like this from happening again I once again shamelessly self-promote my proposed Permanent Directory of Nations Indefinitely Targeted for Permanent Zero Infrastructure. Edited February 17, 2009 by Generalissimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West of Eden Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) And by better future, you mean a future in which you and your allies are in power and Pacifica and Her allies are not. Nothing more. Drop all the revolutionary bull and just state what it is you really want. Power. Pretty sure almost everyone would agree that indeed is a better future. But none of this relates to this thread, though I think it seems to be resolved - NPO won't accept reparations and so the guy is headed off to ZI but he is ok with that and plans to rebuild. I agree with RV's advice, talk to an IO - maybe you'll catch them in a good mood and they'll let you off. Edited February 17, 2009 by West of Eden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 And by better future, you mean a future in which you and your allies are in power and Pacifica and Her allies are not. Nothing more. Drop all the revolutionary bull and just state what it is you really want. Power. What are you talking about? Thats totally absurd! Just look at their individual histories; they're practically saints! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 What are you talking about? Thats totally absurd! Just look at their individual histories; they're practically saints! ...right. My goal is to get all of my friends off of perma ZI or EZI. Once that is achieved, I don't care what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 ...right. My goal is to get all of my friends off of perma ZI or EZI. Once that is achieved, I don't care what happens. I'm going to assume you're intelligent enough to know your current techniques are not working. They can leave their status... but not going down the road they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Once again I shamelessly self-promote my proposal for a Permanent Directory of Nations Indefinitely Targeted for Permanent Zero Infrastructure. I'm going to assume you're intelligent enough to know your current techniques are not working. They can leave their status... but not going down the road they are. If there was a Permanent Directory of Nations Indefinitely Targeted for Permanent Zero Infrastructure people would always know their status, and know which road to walk to avert the blacklist. Edited February 19, 2009 by Generalissimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Unfortunately the denial of information works into their favor. I doubt that directory would ever work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 1Unfortunately the denial of information works into their favor. I doubt that directory would ever work. That’s not true at all, the alliances of the world don’t gain from denials of information. The GPA war was tragically caused by a misunderstanding of who was on an alliance’s blacklist, the peace loving NPO are sure to support my proposal in the interests of international stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrophis Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Wow, NPO. Don't you have something better to do? Maybe bigger fish to fry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Soviet Attack Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Is this thread Vox vs NPO yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Guys, I stopped reading this ages ago, and this seems pretty derailed. Can you let this thing die and start your own anti-ZI thread? I'm letting them ZI me, all's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 The one you don't remember you actually submitted twice.Once on 2008-12-27 02:24:02 $225000 50 tech and then it got either canceled or denied by KM and you resubmitted on 2008-12-28 23:44:50 you sent $256000 50 tech For the record, I am impressed Pacifica has the resources to watch its enemies. One more great reason NOT to be an enemy of Pacifica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffron X Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Wow, NPO. Don't you have something better to do? Maybe bigger fish to fry? We really don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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