Delta1212 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dude, it was still wartime...albeit a very ugly war.That being said what would be fair would be finishing off KM's ZI and then letting him off. P-ZIing him for that comes off as especially bitter...and to be honest, I thought more of you guys than to let things get that personal. *shrugs* Honestly, I kind of like Martens despite the occasions that he has been a dick to me. (Hell, Tulak acted the same way and he's now one of my favorite people). And I don't personally PZI anyone. I generally get bored with punishing people before they hit ZI in the first place. That said, I am not GOD, and while I wouldn't take the same actions GOD is in this situation, I won't sit here and let Martens try to spin things to look like a victim unanswered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer99 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 They're asking for a reroll, that's all. Sure, KM has some wonders, but it's not like his nation is particularly large by any measure.What does it matter that he's protected by Zenith and cleared by TPF? Are they they end all, be all judge or right and wrong in CN now? If he were still on the ZI list of an alliance more "major" than GOD (say, for example... Valhalla, NPO, IRON, TPF, MCXA, etc.), there would be no question here. Everyone would stand aside and let him take his licks. Actually, if the situation were reversed, I'd expect everyone coming in here flaming us for keeping someone on our P-ZI list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochocinco Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Why are you so attached to the name "Kaiser Martens" anyhow? Wouldn't you prefer a fresh start in which everyone didn't associate your character with hate, fascism, and bigotry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irisheyes Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Personally if you ask me, i don't think the real agenda here is Kaiser Martens. GOD just wants an excuse to start a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochocinco Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Actually, if the situation were reversed, I'd expect everyone coming in here flaming us for keeping someone on our P-ZI list. Only a select crowd (primarily populated by Vox members, I'd suspect), but point taken. Still, the real powers in CN would have your back, no matter what the trolls said. Proof is in the pudding: no one seems to have minded that Q held KM to ZI for quite a while now. Do you suspect someone might have started caring tomorrow, or the day after? Unlikely. Edited February 13, 2009 by ochocinco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochocinco Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 GOD just wants an excuse to start a war. You can't be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Damn when I saw the title I was thinking of the long list of people I know have recent issues with GOD and thought his was one them. Then I saw KM again. Guess the others will have to wait. I don't care for KM, don't want anything to do with guy. He has taken a beating for what he has done in the past and I expect we would be happy to give him another one when he steps out of line again. As for this someone nuked Xiph because of a stalker? I am not sure what that is all about or what kind of OOC ties you have. However I don't see why you would want him to reroll and yet still know who he is. The logic in that escapes me and no one can seem to explain what kind of sense that makes. You don't even want him to change his name. So what exactly is the deal with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochocinco Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Damn when I saw the title I was thinking of the long list of people I know have recent issues with GOD and thought his was one them. Is that even a sentence? If so, what is it supposed to mean? My Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Why are you so attached to the name "Kaiser Martens" anyhow? Wouldn't you prefer a fresh start in which everyone didn't associate your character with hate, fascism, and bigotry? No, because only a few tools associate me with this, in fact many people who dislike me dislike me because of the things I did as a leader, not due to ideological business. Plus, I've got a manhattan project, and face it, if I got a reroll there's no way I'd be able to hang around, post, RP or ANYTHING without people catching on to the fact that it is me. I'm a very obvious person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 As for this someone nuked Xiph because of a stalker? I am not sure what that is all about or what kind of OOC ties you have. No, someone that stalks Xiph joined NoV when the war started to fight against Xiph and on his request, Martens ZI'd me. People have been EZI'd for stuff like that for far, far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochocinco Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 However I don't see why you would want him to reroll and yet still know who he is. The logic in that escapes me and no one can seem to explain what kind of sense that makes. You don't even want him to change his name. So what exactly is the deal with that? It's symbolic. It simply shows he's willing to move past his mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Damn when I saw the title I was thinking of the long list of people I know have recent issues with GOD and thought his was one them. Then I saw KM again. Guess the others will have to wait. I don't care for KM, don't want anything to do with guy. He has taken a beating for what he has done in the past and I expect we would be happy to give him another one when he steps out of line again. As for this someone nuked Xiph because of a stalker? I am not sure what that is all about or what kind of OOC ties you have. However I don't see why you would want him to reroll and yet still know who he is. The logic in that escapes me and no one can seem to explain what kind of sense that makes. You don't even want him to change his name. So what exactly is the deal with that? If it's not something that matters, it's not a big deal to do it, is it? If you want to argue against it, it's either too much of a punishment or pointless. It can't be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Seems to me this isn't as much about the fact that NoV used nukes but that KM had Xiph ZI'd by the request of an OOC stalker of Xiph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I was never aware of any OOC stuff, you all know that my policies were always to steer away and ignore OOC business. (Hence why NoV was not moderated properly, hence why it got killed...heh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Seems to me this isn't as much about the fact that NoV used nukes but that KM had Xiph ZI'd by the request of an OOC stalker of Xiph. That's what I'm reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I was never aware of any OOC stuff, you all know that my policies were always to steer away and ignore OOC business. (Hence why NoV was not moderated properly, hence why it got killed...heh) Well that's your word against, well so far several people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 However I don't see why you would want him to reroll and yet still know who he is. The logic in that escapes me and no one can seem to explain what kind of sense that makes. You don't even want him to change his name. So what exactly is the deal with that? I actually believe in IC characters and since GOD only has "Kaiser Martens" on our list, we would respect that and not pursue him under any other characters or nations. It's a novel concept, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 No, someone that stalks Xiph joined NoV when the war started to fight against Xiph and on his request, Martens ZI'd me. People have been EZI'd for stuff like that for far, far less. So the issue is indeed you think a stalker joined NoV and got KM to get someone to Zi you? Well now we have the issue. Does anyone know if this happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I was fighting NoV for most of the war and made it a point not to nuke them, but then they went and did it minutes before the war expired. Luckily I was online at the time and all three were bill locked after I struck back. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I actually believe in IC characters and since GOD only has "Kaiser Martens" on our list, we would respect that and not pursue him under any other characters or nations. It's a novel concept, I know. Your logic is not consistent. You say that I ZI'd you because of something OOC, so you want to use this to kill me IC. But if you use an OOC thing, your action is OOC as well. Then again, I didn't use anything OOC against you either, so if this is just IC vs. IC, why is it even being pushed after I actually was rolled into the dust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I was never aware of any OOC stuff, you all know that my policies were always to steer away and ignore OOC business. (Hence why NoV was not moderated properly, hence why it got killed...heh) You had someone ZI'd for OOC reasons. You may not have realized you were doing it, but it still happened. At best, you simply made a mistake for not checking into the reasons to have someone ZI'd, probably from having just fought a war against the person in question. Having been on the receiving end of the emotional difference between you during peace time and you during war time, I'd say that's a fair assessment. For this mistake, GOD is requesting you reroll as a new IC character. You don't have to hide your identity. Your identity can even be closesly linked to Kaiser Martens, so you wouldn't necessarily require a huge break in an RP sense. Regardless of the reasons behind it, you made a rather large mistake. Losing your Manhattan Project and your # days old is the cost of that mistake just as the destruction of NoV was the punishment for the improper policing of OOC material. The punishment is not an end to your playing of the game, or necessitated end to any existing relationships. It is a symbolic acknowledgement that you screwed up and have atoned for it. No more, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Luckily I was online at the time and all three were bill locked after I struck back. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Yeah, that's why you got nuked, the guy panicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 You had someone ZI'd for OOC reasons. No, Nej, Nein, HET. Acknowledge this first and then we may be able to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I was never aware of any OOC stuff, you all know that my policies were always to steer away and ignore OOC business. (Hence why NoV was not moderated properly, hence why it got killed...heh) Another lie. I informed you on MSN before I began selling off my infra that afternoon exactly why my ZI had been requested, that the guy was stalking me, and everything. You said you would take his word for it, not mine, and that I still had to do it. Forgive me if I'm severely lacking in any kind of sympathy, KM. So the issue is indeed you think a stalker joined NoV and got KM to get someone to Zi you? Well now we have the issue. Does anyone know if this happened? The entire body of GOD, multiple founding members, KM himself and a few others are all familiar with what happened and that I was being stalked by the guy who had Martens order my ZI. It was no secret, regardless of the spin he puts on it here. By the way, thread didn't help your case. Nice try though, LoFN did a better job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Lakes Union Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Letting someone like Martens go isn't exactly a party. It's not like GOD peed in your cereal. Why the hell do you care so much about Kaiser Martens' freedom? Personally, I don't care for him at all. However Zenith does, and we care about them. A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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