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1. Yes, he apologised for it. Far too little, years too late. He went back on his word, something which is usually rather unforgivable in CN. [sarcasm]I cannot possibly fathom why this case should be different [/sarcasm].

I call bull on this one Sir, I apologized almost right away I recall, certainly much less than a year.

2. No, he did not pay for it. NoV was attacked by TPF and its coalition for reasons that had nothing to do with destroying the ICP (if you don't believe me, read their declaration of war and NoV's response neither of which mention that the destruction of the ICP was a reason for war. Incidentally, Golden Sabres wasn't destroyed because it instigated the destruction of the ICP either, but for other reasons.

This is correct. I do not want to say this in a troll-like manner, but facts are that nobody ever cared about ICP or the communists enough to stop us from doing anything to them, the world has part of the guilt for this, but the Reds also do, for their unstable alliances pushed away potential allies. Only after the ICP crush the Communists managed to get a functional, backed-up alliance, better late than never.

3. Where, precisely, was Kaiser Martens in the period between July 7, 2007 and May 10, 2008? Oh yeah, hiding behind powerful shields and gloating (very occasionally, since we don't really matter to anyone on this green Bob ). He only stopped when the powerful shields turned on his alliance for, again, reasons that had nothing to do with the ICP.

I never gloated about crushing ICP, I did gloat about all of the other wars which were properly justified however.

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This is correct. I do not want to say this in a troll-like manner, but facts are that nobody ever cared about ICP or the communists enough to stop us from doing anything to them, the world has part of the guilt for this, but the Reds also do, for their unstable alliances pushed away potential allies. Only after the ICP crush the Communists managed to get a functional, backed-up alliance, better late than never.

We have a functional, backed-up alliance? People care about this alliance enough to stop it from getting rolled? When did this happen, and where can I sign up?

EDIT: to complete one's sentences is to see the face of God.

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Yeah, probably. Then again, Arcades is a 100K NS nation in the NPO, whom we couldn't touch even if we could persuade NPO to give him up. Why bother?

Besides it would be probably be better to just forget about him and concentrate on KM instead, i would rather deal with KM anyhow :P

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Interestingly (or not), Kaiser Martens is still technically in a state of war with the Libertarian Socialist Federation. Good to know (or not?) that Zenith harbors people who are still in conflict (guns blazing or otherwise) with another alliance, AND are willing to pay out for their curious foreign policy history. Honestly, I have mixed feelings, personally speaking.

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Interestingly (or not), Kaiser Martens is still technically in a state of war with the Libertarian Socialist Federation. Good to know (or not?) that Zenith harbors people who are still in conflict (guns blazing or otherwise) with another alliance, AND are willing to pay out for their curious foreign policy history. Honestly, I have mixed feelings, personally speaking.

I love you, MS, I really do, but perhaps the LSF can speak for itself. Indeed, it can probably choose which battles to fight and which to ignore.

Just sayin'.

@ Zenith: no haet here, move along.

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Interestingly (or not), Kaiser Martens is still technically in a state of war with the Libertarian Socialist Federation. Good to know (or not?) that Zenith harbors people who are still in conflict (guns blazing or otherwise) with another alliance, AND are willing to pay out for their curious foreign policy history. Honestly, I have mixed feelings, personally speaking.

I was PM-ed by the LSF that the issue had been dropped.

If you are of a different opinion, I would suggest you discuss this with LSF government and make sure you speak with one voice.

Also, we didn't pay for his "curious" foreign policy history. We paid for PZI to be off the table so he could be a normal member of our alliance. We did not pay off his crimes, real or imagined, that led to this punishment of PZI in the first place.

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Oh.

So you're a coward, then.

Perhaps I am. Then again, I'm not even close to being in Arcades' range (nor is practically anyone else in my alliance), so we'll never find out, will we? :awesome:

EDIT: Apparently there's some crazy law of physics in operation only here on Planet Bob that turns "we're physically unable to perform action X" into "we're too frightened to perform action X". Perhaps some Newtonian figure or other will one day find out how this works. For now, I just marvel.

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Oh.

So you're a coward, then.

They don't have a single nation in his range for one so even if they were to have him expelled they would be physically unable to attack him. Secondly just because they realize that carrying out a punishment is not beneficial enough to compensate for the consequences of their actions does not make them cowards.

You need to choose your battles wisely when politics are involved the only exception in my opinion is when a treaty is involved.

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We have a functional, backed-up alliance? People care about this alliance enough to stop it from getting rolled? When did this happen, and where can I sign up?

EDIT: to complete one's sentences is to see the face of God.

I was very happy to see CPCN and then the International do well. I had friends in the SWF and lobbied GATO to help them in the NoR war. Little did I know I'd get a war a week later.

I respect the International and don't want to see it rolled. But I also don't believe in very extensive PZI sentences and if I can help someone without damagingmy alliance I will. Maybe I'm overly generous, but I like taking in strays and I'm glad that GOD was willing to let us give KM a chance.

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No, not flamebait at all.

When you ignore the person who orchestrated a war you disapprove of while vilifying the much smaller person who went along with it, you're a coward.

I wasn't trying to be subtle. I was pointing out the obvious.

well this post of yours is certainly to the point, your others were vague stabs but hey who am i to quibble :D

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