Sumeragi Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Just a quick point, Stormcrow, I request the use of Brick on all item you deem to be "a load of bollocks" in this thread. Wait a bit to see the science behind it. After all, what you know isn't all the knowledge there is in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Just a quick point, Stormcrow, I request the use of Brick on all item you deem to be "a load of bollocks" in this thread. this is seconded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applesauce59 Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) Edited and ingore me. I got confused where i was talking Edited December 26, 2008 by applesauce59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 While I'm actually still of the opinion that, while walkers are *possible*, they're not very useful aside from heavy-duty lifting and the like, I'm still curious as to what exactly the science behind this specific thing that Sumeragi posted in that thread are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) While I'm actually still of the opinion that, while walkers are *possible*, they're not very useful aside from heavy-duty lifting and the like, I'm still curious as to what exactly the science behind this specific thing that Sumeragi posted in that thread are. It's all in the design. Some crazy anime fifty story tall mech that is built to look exactly like a human is out, too tall, too weak, too unbalanced. Where as a four legged, short little spider tank thing (like this: ) could be done with pneumatic solenoids, springs, and some basic computer stuff. So basically, an AT-AT is out, something like what the US military already uses as a field medical unit with a gun on it is in. It's all really a matter of scale, and power... and that I had my walking tank picture still Edited December 26, 2008 by Il Terra Di Agea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerreyRough Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Hey... A real house that walks. I also at one point found a article about a guy that made a working 8-legged metal walker, but was so slow and heavy that it wasn't very useful. You see, one of the largest problems with walkers is that they spread out their weight on smaller feet, and almsot always have more mass than a tank (which spreads out its weight over its a much larger area). Although walkers are a cool idea, they just arn't worth it. The amout of money spent on such programs, and then the cost for just one unit of the finished product, doesn't justify itsself. Just buy a swarm of tanks, or a mob of soilders, and they will be much more effective. Its sorta the same thing with battlesuits; regular infantry cost less than a tank, but battlesuited infantry cost way more than a tank. ANd the tank can easily kill the infantry; the fore of the explosion would kill him. But I let the infantry thing slide just so then people still won't have "crappy infantry" that die easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) A 2 legged walker is nigh on impossible if you want it to do more than walk slowly. 4 legs it better, but it requires computation to keep 3 of the legs on the ground, and the center of gravity in the triangle formed by them. Which then has to change to the opposite triangle when the opposite leg moves. 6 legs is about the minimum you want. And even then, things like broken ground will slow it down even more. Also, if we have to wait for the science, please hurry up and show us it. Edited December 26, 2008 by LeVentNoir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormcrow Posted December 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 A 2 legged walker is nigh on impossible if you want it to do more than walk slowly. 4 legs it better, but it requires computation to keep 3 of the legs on the ground, and the center of gravity in the triangle formed by them. Which then has to change to the opposite triangle when the opposite leg moves.6 legs is about the minimum you want. And even then, things like broken ground will slow it down even more. Also, if we have to wait for the science, please hurry up and show us it. I am curious; what kind of "science" is allowed as proof? Obviously, I am not an engineer/physicist, so while I can keep up on the basics, alot of the higher mathmatics/engineering "proof" is somewhat difficult for me to follow. I do have a completely functioning sense of fairness and proportion, however, and it seems to me that the schematic for the gun she shows is in perfect alignment with what I do happen to know. The walkers, though...those look Brick-worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 I can let the gun slide, I mean, it has a wiki article, but there are a number of problems to overcome before it becomes a real weapon. The robot is brick worthy. There are some robots you can bet away with (Like my remote controlled tracked gun boxes) but this one is a load of bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Another point. Why do we have exceptions to the play by your stats rule? Unless you have hard number in the data base, you should be using your IG stats. This brings us to another point, when nations merge do they add their tech? add some? Or the most reasonable, go to the tech of the higher nation. This would see the same rule applied to all three merged nations, and so re-level the playing field. Also just as an aside, why do people get exceptions to IG at levels they never got to? If I get rolled, i'd love to come back to RP with a tech level over 1000 more than I ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Another point. Why do we have exceptions to the play by your stats rule?Unless you have hard number in the data base, you should be using your IG stats. This brings us to another point, when nations merge do they add their tech? add some? Or the most reasonable, go to the tech of the higher nation. This would see the same rule applied to all three merged nations, and so re-level the playing field. Also just as an aside, why do people get exceptions to IG at levels they never got to? If I get rolled, i'd love to come back to RP with a tech level over 1000 more than I ever had. This is why i dont accept exceptions, and probably why a number of Rper's dislike me >.> Perfect example would be mercy. He quit CN and started a new nation. I see no reason for an exception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 This is why i dont accept exceptions, and probably why a number of Rper's dislike me >.> Perfect example would be mercy. He quit CN and started a new nation. I see no reason for an exception No, we dislike you because nobody likes you. Mercy's not even close to a perfect example - he wasn't even given half his stats back, and he RP'd a reasonable reason for the stats that he did get. You're only using Mercy as an example because you dislike him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Frost Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 No, we dislike you because nobody likes you.Mercy's not even close to a perfect example - he wasn't even given half his stats back, and he RP'd a reasonable reason for the stats that he did get. You're only using Mercy as an example because you dislike him. I use him because he got an exception. THere are others, like Kaiser Martens. I have yet to recognize a tech exception, especially since he nuked everyone when he left RP the first time around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 No, we dislike you because nobody likes you.Mercy's not even close to a perfect example - he wasn't even given half his stats back, and he RP'd a reasonable reason for the stats that he did get. You're only using Mercy as an example because you dislike him. Id prefer it of you don't group everyone together with your statements. I don't dislike Frost in fact I don't get what the major dislike of Frost is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 (edited) A 2 legged walker is nigh on impossible if you want it to do more than walk slowly. 4 legs it better, but it requires computation to keep 3 of the legs on the ground, and the center of gravity in the triangle formed by them. Which then has to change to the opposite triangle when the opposite leg moves.6 legs is about the minimum you want. And even then, things like broken ground will slow it down even more. Also, if we have to wait for the science, please hurry up and show us it. What so none of these. Edited December 27, 2008 by Tahsir Re Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 What so none of these. It may be too top heavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 It may be too top heavy You may be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 What so none of these. Wow...it certainly looks...heavy and cumbersome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranather Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 It looks like something my baby sister could kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 OH SNAP!!!! This is why I you Ranather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Well, it makes a good scary looking bunker. And Ranather, regarding this statement: It looks like something my baby sister could kill. Your sister must have some sort of crazy power (Eye beams? ) to kill that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranather Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Srs Bsns, there are about 100,000 ways to kill that thing, about 300 involve a baby and a spoon, you figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Srs Bsns, there are about 100,000 ways to kill that thing, about 300 involve a baby and a spoon, you figure it out. Does any of them involve marbles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranather Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Them's be some impressive marbles, but...YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 (edited) Also: More Edited December 27, 2008 by Tahsir Re Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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