Big Jimboi Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Some of you will remember the days when donations cost just 3mil. I wish to open up discussion on the rise from 3mil up to 21mil. Why has this happened? Is it mid-range nations bumping them up trying to get in on the donation selling to? (one point I have seen raised) Should something be done about it? Can something be done about it? Discuss away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acromega Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 It's simply a matter of supply and demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan King Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) I charge what people will pay, and the going rate seems to be 12-18 million. I think it's based on the number of aid slots easily available. 15 used to be the usual cap before the DRA became widespread. Now it's 18. Edited September 26, 2008 by Duncan King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Rooney Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) I have a small nation and would love to get $12 mil for a donation deal. It'd be a really nice bounce for my nation! I know I could get more, but I'm not greedy. I guess if I had a bigger nation then the price would have to be higher to make it worth it for me. Edited September 26, 2008 by Andy Rooney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 It's because nations have more money now. 12 mil used to be a week or more's worth of a nation's income. Now, I make that much in two days with several million left over in profit. Donations are also worth a ton more to those same high income nations because 200 infra is worth tens of millions. For me, I think the cost is something like 5-6x that 12 mil without even touching on the tech, money or land. In total, a donation is probably worth somewhere around 100 mil in cash, so 12 mil doesn't seem like much to pay, whereas it would have resulted in a net loss for many nations a year or two ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herzl Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Simply put, I am willing to pay up to 21M (sometimes even 24M if its an ally or friend), because I need to actually get a donation, and I still make a huge profit off of it at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom antmod Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 moved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Stukov II Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 There used to be more sellers (lots of people in FAN) and less buyers. It also used to be cheaper for most people to just buy the 200 infra themselves. Now it is cheaper for most people to buy a donation even at 21mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchh Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 If the people weren't limited by slots it would be much much higher, but the reason is simple economics. Donation sellers see the "profit" that the buyers make and know that they can get the buyer to rationalize up to a higher price. Paying 18M or thereabouts is a drop in the bucket to what it would actually cost some nations to buy 200 infra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Rupert Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 However, it's not the sellers that are driving the market, it is the buyers. You have a rather large base of nations who would benefit from a donation at price X. The pool of sellers is smaller than the pool of buyers. So you have a number of nations looking to pay X who just won't get a donation in a particular month. This makes them more determined to get a donation in the following month. So they offer to pay Y in an effort to separate themselves from the crowd of nations looking to pay X. So the buyers push the price higher and higher in an effort to be one of those to get noticed and receive a donation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 However, it's not the sellers that are driving the market, it is the buyers. You have a rather large base of nations who would benefit from a donation at price X. The pool of sellers is smaller than the pool of buyers. So you have a number of nations looking to pay X who just won't get a donation in a particular month. This makes them more determined to get a donation in the following month. So they offer to pay Y in an effort to separate themselves from the crowd of nations looking to pay X. So the buyers push the price higher and higher in an effort to be one of those to get noticed and receive a donation. This is why I just donate to myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) Some of you will remember the days when donations cost just 3mil. I wish to open up discussion on the rise from 3mil up to 21mil.Why has this happened? Is it mid-range nations bumping them up trying to get in on the donation selling to? (one point I have seen raised) Should something be done about it? Can something be done about it? Discuss away... It was a rip off, large nations were charging $20 of real money for one aid slot (minus the tech) in a game. I'm glad small nations can get a decent chance at growth allowing them to close the gap a little on the many huge nations in the game. Edited September 27, 2008 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Stukov II Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 It wasn't a rip off. That 3mil did more for a small nation than a $20 donation did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I remember buying a double donation for 3mil/50 tech.... Ahh those were the days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Personally, I won't pay over $18mil or equivalent because I feel it costs more to tie up all of my aid slots. It's not about the money; it's about the slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jimboi Posted September 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Personally, I won't pay over $18mil or equivalent because I feel it costs more to tie up all of my aid slots. It's not about the money; it's about the slots. This is the main reason I brought this up. If I could send out 18mil in one slot then I wouldn't mind so much lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan King Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I don't like charging more than 18 million. 18 million can be paid in one shot. When you have installments, there's more room for fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I have a small nation and would love to get $12 mil for a donation deal. It'd be a really nice bounce for my nation! I know I could get more, but I'm not greedy. I guess if I had a bigger nation then the price would have to be higher to make it worth it for me. If you are seriously selling, message me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswiss2783 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Personally, I won't pay over $18mil or equivalent because I feel it costs more to tie up all of my aid slots. It's not about the money; it's about the slots. I use 2 or 3 slots twice instead of all 6 at once to keep a few slots open, so I will pay over 18 million if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 It's getting to the point where it's more worth it to use your slots for tech deals, and simply buy the infrastructure instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Irwin Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 This is somewhat annoying. I was never buying them for $3M like others here, but I used to get them for $9M, which was perfect because it was basically one aid slot continuously devoted to donations (3 payments per month). I'm not sure how much higher it could go though. For my nation, I could use 1 aid slot for a month for a tech deal and profit about $50M (over buying my own tech). A donation is worth about $105M for me, so it's more beneficial to do the 2 tech deals than to pay $18M ($100M profit > $87M profit...both requiring 6 aid slots). $15M is a worthwhile deal for me, as it is effectively worth ~$18M/slot vs ~$16.7M/slot for tech deals. There is no reason for me to ever pay more than $15M for my nation. I actually have a much higher infra/tech ratio than average, so I would expect very few nations to find a $21M deal more profitable than tech dealing. If the donating nation wants tech also (which is now common), it honestly isn't worth my paying any more than $6M + 100 tech (2 aid slots), and that deal is really not likely to be found. Even $9M + 100 tech is less profitable than tech deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Or, instead of us all being cheapskates (myself definitely included ), we could by our own donations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 When i have $20, I usually think that investing to beer is better than buying a donation. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jimboi Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 When i have $20, I usually think that investing to beer is better than buying a donation. :lol: This. £10, not a lot but still better things to spend on when your as skint as me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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