deaftrav Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Who here hates it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogodai Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) You By which I mean, not me. It's a good thing. Edited August 22, 2008 by Ogodai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynthFG Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 YouBy which I mean, not me. It's a good thing. It's a good thing for the game, brings in a nacent enviromental movement into politics, and provides consiquences for significant use of nukes, Part of me wishes it wasn't capped tho, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 (edited) GRL is only costing 1/10 of my net daily income. I can live with it. Edit2: My fingers really aren't working today Edited August 23, 2008 by TheDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soberuler Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 i like it, its more realistic. thares concequinces for useing nukes. though i am glad thares a cap lol i dont wana die from radiation exposure cuz some idiots are having a nuclear war >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonV Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 I really doubt that the people using nukes care about the GRL. I'd just like my 5000 citizens back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soberuler Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 I really doubt that the people using nukes care about the GRL. I'd just like my 5000 citizens back... well not only do thay gota worry about thare own enviroment being effected, but by contributing to the radiation, it may anger other nations and provoke war agenst them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 I doubt people will go to war over a screwed up GRL! Hey you ruined my environment with your casual attitude to nuke use. I'm going to war with you to teach you a lesson! WTF? You nuked me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soberuler Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 I doubt people will go to war over a screwed up GRL!Hey you ruined my environment with your casual attitude to nuke use. I'm going to war with you to teach you a lesson! WTF? You nuked me wat if the people challanging them have nukes too?? thay dont have to use them just kinda wave em around so the other guys no thare thare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman191 Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Wasn't the GRL 12.00 at 1 point? It said that in the wiki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Badger Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Wasn't the GRL 12.00 at 1 point? It said that in the wiki. The actual GRL is 13.49 but the GRL is capped at 5. It says this in the world demographics screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Manbearpig Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 i like it, its more realistic. thares concequinces for useing nukes. though i am glad thares a cap lol i dont wana die from radiation exposure cuz some idiots are having a nuclear war >.< No. The people who have nukes clearly don't give a s#!| about using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchh Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 We enjoy using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wulfgar Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I like the idea of GRL, but I hate how it's constantly at 5 and always hurting my profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 the only bad thing about the GRL is: it is capped. People WOULD care for GRL and the usage of nukes if it was not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Manbearpig Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I really doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonV Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Do you have any idea what 15 point environment would do to CN? It'd put everyone into bill lock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Do you have any idea what 15 point environment would do to CN? It'd put everyone into bill lock... Wrong. And I think I have probably a better Idea what 15 Env would do to CN than most others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Meh, just time your back collections right and you can get around much of the 5 GR levels (unless another nuclear war happens in the next few weeks ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Uncap the GLR1 please! :angry: Lets see what will those CN players that can't resist launching nukes would do with the uncapped GRL, and the bill lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonV Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Wrong. And I think I have probably a better Idea what 15 Env would do to CN than most others. Well, you'd still be half way there, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Well, you'd still be half way there, right? Currently most nations are at 6 Env or higher... and? The effect is barely noticable. Some people complain because of 'my numbers gone down!!!' but NOBODY feels a REAL impact from the 5 GRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonV Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Eh... I lost 5000 citizens (5 improvement slots) and almost 11% of my income (before bills, so even more after bills) because of this high GRL. That comes down to a good 600.000 a day I'm missing out on. I'd call that a real impact, seeing as how my daily profits now are about 2,5 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Eh... I lost 5000 citizens (5 improvement slots) and almost 11% of my income (before bills, so even more after bills) because of this high GRL. That comes down to a good 600.000 a day I'm missing out on. I'd call that a real impact, seeing as how my daily profits now are about 2,5 million looking at the math, that is impossible. 5 GRL removes 5% of your nations happiness and since not all your income comes from happiness, that equals around 4-4.5% income. also 5% citizens. 100% Total Income * 0.95 (-5% citizens) * 0.965 (-4.5% income) = 91.675% income left. So, you currently lose 8.325% of your daily tax collection. I would not call that a big impact from a full scale worldwide nuclear war. Losing 25%, 40% or 60% and people would have taken diplomatic action before attacking nuclear armed alliances. Your lost improvement slots have not much impact, since the improvements still work, even if you have not enough population for them. They are a direct result of the rather flawed calculation of improvement slots. A requirement that would make sense would be 100infra/1improvement. Not 1000pop. The pop-requirement makes only problems: BorderWalls, Losing of Slots from Gov Changes, Losing slots from GRL, Losing slots from importing certain resources and so on... Besides this it is an issue of game balance, PopBoosterResources are currently three times benefitial: more tax, more military, more improvements = they are superior to all other resources, that is why everyone wants them and those with bad resources can hardly get them. But, its up to the admin to change that. Not me. Edited September 2, 2008 by (DAC)Syzygy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonV Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 I know you know all about CN math and how everything works, but are you sure about your numbers? I realized I got two bad events after this whole GRL mess started, so that accounts for a portion of the income loss. 8.325% due to GRL sounds reasonable then. But I still lost 5 improvements slots because of the GRL increase. Which means I lost at least 4001 citizens. If that's 5% of my population, I should've had 80.000 citizens to begin with. It was closer to 43.000 when it all started. Are you sure the environmental effect aren't worse? Just wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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