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2 Questions about War Slots


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I was hoping to get a little clarification regarding two war rules that I PM'd to Sword of Estel. I think she's been too busy to get back to me, and I really need an answer.

First is in regards to war training. We require new members of Farkistan to undergo a training program, and part of that is teaching them the war interface. Historically, we have conducted those drills against inactive, unaligned nations. However, those targets are starting to run low. I know training with other allied alliances is permitted, as long as neither is at war, but even those can be difficult to arrange.

I had thought we could train them against each other, until I read this rule:

War slot filling

Intra alliance war drills are not permitted. This is deemed as war slot filling and nations involved will recieve in a ingame warning. Alliances are only permitted to declare war on individual nations flying the same affiliation as themselves if they have a legitimate in character reason. Military drills with allied alliances are permitted if both alliances are currently uninvolved in any inter alliance wars. If nations are caught fighting nations in an alliance they are allied to in the course of an inter alliance war they will recieve an ingame warning for illegal war slot filling.

That seemed to be pretty cut and dry, until a friend directed me to Estel's statement in this post:

As long as they are actually warring they wouldn't be in violation of the rules.

Now, I'm unclear as to whether this pertains only to the original question of arranged dueling nations, or to training in particular. But then Jiminy Cricket said:

So long as actual attacks are made, and not just one or two weak attacks followed by six days of nothing, you are not in violation of the rules.

That would lead me to believe that she was, in fact, referring to the ability to train newbies, but it still seems to be directly contrary to the "war drills are not permitted" part of the rules.

Now, I did find this thread which has most people saying it is ok, but one saying it isn't. No moderator has posted.

I'm sorry if this is a question that is asked a lot, but we might be having a major training exercise soon, and I don't want to inadvertently tell a bunch of people to violate the game rules.

So, is it permitted to run intra alliance war drills while at peace for training purposes?

Question two is also about war slots.

We were recently involved in a situation where someone from another alliance attacked one of our members. I immediately dispatched three nations to declare war, but told them not to fire unless fired upon. The intent was a show of force with an armed escort while negotiations for reparations were underway.

While ongoing, one of my nations needed to peace out to participate in a tech deal. Unfortunately, another Fark nation saw what appeared to be active combat, declared war using the newly opened war slot and launched attacks. This nearly ruined the negotiations, which led me to see another benefit in that with three nations under my direct command filling those slots, it kept the offender safe from the less informed members of the alliance who might think they were doing the right thing.

But then, after reading the second thread quoted above, as well as several others, I am lead to believe that we might have violated a rule by declaring and not attacking.

Did we break a rule, or was that course of action allowed?

Thank you for your time and I'm sorry this is long. I wanted to try to be clear as to what I was asking so as to be crystal clear about the answers.

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In answer to the first question, I think the key point of the rule pertaining to intra-alliance wars is

Alliances are only permitted to declare war on individual nations flying the same affiliation as themselves if they have a legitimate in character reason.
I have taken this to mean that intra-alliance training is not permitted. What is permitted is attacks on ghosts, traitors; ie legimate in character reasons. I believe Estel's other quote was to support the ability to make those in character reason attacks and not to suggest one can conduct intra-alliance training exercises.

To answer the second question, given the number of in game warns than have been handed out recently, it seems clear you were in violation of the rules to have three nations declare and conduct no attacks. Your situation differed slightly from what is being called shackling in that the nation declared on was already engaged with one of your nations, but the point I get from the readings is you cannot declare war and not make attacks, it will be considered war slot filling.

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Last I checked, inter-alliance drills were permitted only in the event that you truly warred.

That means you actively C/Nuke the opponent, and all that everyday.

And even then it's only permitted if your alliance isn't in a war.

But, considering that you have to destroy each other to legally fight, it's not worth it to lose all that infra.

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Last I checked, inter-alliance drills were permitted only in the event that you truly warred.

That means you actively C/Nuke the opponent, and all that everyday.

And even then it's only permitted if your alliance isn't in a war.

But, considering that you have to destroy each other to legally fight, it's not worth it to lose all that infra.

Then this is a rule change. I missed the change, if so.

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Last I checked, inter-alliance drills were permitted only in the event that you truly warred.

That means you actively C/Nuke the opponent, and all that everyday.

And even then it's only permitted if your alliance isn't in a war.

This is correct.

And yes, I'm backed up on PMs again, so thank you for your patience.

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