Gh0s7 Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said: Perhaps someone had already contacted UCR requesting assistance prior to the establishment of AIPVA, which gave them the idea to create it as a formal invitation to independents to ask and UCR will provide support. It's not a massive stretch to think that would be the case. Also, I said I was having fun. Where you're getting this idea of self-martyrdom or victimising myself is beyond me, especially as I don't have any terms presented- though it is early days yet, I can wait. I was being sincere when I said "Who knows how Doomsphere will attempt to decide my fate, I sure look forward to finding out though!" I actually misread the thread, it was passed Octobor 1st. Either way, though, it's a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes justified defense. I don't recognize defending unaligneds as defense when you don't even try any form of diplomacy in the process. Had they actually approached Bundy, I would be more understanding of their position from a recruiting sense, but I still wouldn't agree with it. And your phrasing suggests something different to me, but regardless, you'll have plenty of fun, I'm sure Edited October 22, 2021 by Gh0s7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 decaration of nuetrilityh to much reading so ima sit this one out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Master Hakai said: decaration of nuetrilityh to much reading so ima sit this one out kashmir.txt good call Edited October 22, 2021 by Johnny Apocalypse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galtian Commune Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 I don’t see what the problem is. UCR is defending people they would like to defend, and so is DS/DT. UCR didn’t like the reasons why the nobodies were attacked, so they intervened. Just like DS/DT disagreed with UCR’s approach. Same same. if UCR have other friends who now feel that they don’t like what DS/DT did, they can choose to intervene. This is pretty typical CN warfare. I don’t get all the whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firingline Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said: There is literally a whole thread where mrmarx outlines this. No. There's not. All he said was "The Volunteer Army responded to calls for assistance from these nations and deployed troops to their defence." Which is weird - why would random unaligned nations reach out to UCR specifically? Before I started kicking their teeth in, I had never heard of them before. And yet multiple nations simultaneously sought them out and requested their assistance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason8 Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Master Hakai said: decaration of nuetrilityh to much reading so ima sit this one out A wise choice from the new King. I shall join you on the sidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblies Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 1:09 AM, firingline said: You attacked our treaty partners,. It'd be nice if your treaty partner actually listed it's treaties. Also any alliance I've ever been in made it clear that tech raiding was done at your own risk. Also it's bad form to use nukes in a tech raid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Galtian Commune said: I don’t see what the problem is. UCR is defending people they would like to defend, and so is DS/DT. UCR didn’t like the reasons why the nobodies were attacked, so they intervened. Just like DS/DT disagreed with UCR’s approach. Same same. if UCR have other friends who now feel that they don’t like what DS/DT did, they can choose to intervene. This is pretty typical CN warfare. I don’t get all the whining. The whining is also typical when it comes to CN warfare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Wobblies said: It'd be nice if your treaty partner actually listed it's treaties. Also any alliance I've ever been in made it clear that tech raiding was done at your own risk. Also it's bad form to use nukes in a tech raid. So much this. Especially the bold part. DT and DS have launched a dogppile in defending their friend from the consequences of their raiding. Was there an attempt from DS or DT to reach out to UCR diplomatically before jumping on them? Sure, they're following "treaty obligations" (which have never been made publicly visible prior to this) but ultimately they are defending the little clique's free reign to spring up raiding party AAs and blast away at whoever they please without backlash, just as they have done for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said: A quick look at the Alliance Info page for Doom Squad Alliance Forums: Forum Link Alliance Created: 12/1/2020 6:17:24 PM About Doom Squad: Allied with CLAWS, DBDC, DW, and ODN. Resurrected on December 1st, 2020. Oh dip, I don't see Dark Templar on there at all. Not the source of truth for us. Stay mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said: Perhaps someone had already contacted UCR requesting assistance prior to the establishment of AIPVA, which gave them the idea to create it as a formal invitation to independents to ask and UCR will provide support. It's not a massive stretch to think that would be the case. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps one of the nations attacked is a former member of UCR and knew to ask. Perhaps someone in UCR sent an in game message asking if help was wanted and got yes as a reply. The way to find out is to ask, which is why I asked in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmarx Posted October 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 37 minutes ago, White Chocolate said: Perhaps one of the nations attacked is a former member of UCR and knew to ask. Perhaps someone in UCR sent an in game message asking if help was wanted and got yes as a reply. It's a bit of both. Of of The Five is former UCR. It was through them that we became aware of the scope of the Wolves' aggression, and contact was then established with the others. No action was taken until military assistance was specifically requested (by which point, some of these nations had already suffered immense damages from nuclear weapons launched by the Wolves). Unlike what dishonest characters like firingline have tried to imply, we are not on some crusade, and we are not attempting to police raiders. We are simply offering what resources we have in the defense of victims of raiding, just as we have consistently done in the past for unaligned left wing states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firingline Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, mrmarx said: We are simply offering what resources we have in the defense of victims of raiding *had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, mrmarx said: It's a bit of both. Of of The Five is former UCR. It was through them that we became aware of the scope of the Wolves' aggression, and contact was then established with the others. No action was taken until military assistance was specifically requested (by which point, some of these nations had already suffered immense damages from nuclear weapons launched by the Wolves). Unlike what dishonest characters like firingline have tried to imply, we are not on some crusade, and we are not attempting to police raiders. We are simply offering what resources we have in the defense of victims of raiding, just as we have consistently done in the past for unaligned left wing states. Thank you for answering my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Starcraftmazter said: Not the source of truth for us. Stay mad. Me? Mad? Totally sane and normal. Sober too, which is a terrible mood to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 6:36 PM, Jason8 said: A wise choice from the new King. I shall join you on the sidelines. Good. Everyone knows the sidelines is where the real warfare happens!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 4:58 AM, mrmarx said: It's a bit of both. Of of The Five is former UCR. It was through them that we became aware of the scope of the Wolves' aggression, and contact was then established with the others. No action was taken until military assistance was specifically requested (by which point, some of these nations had already suffered immense damages from nuclear weapons launched by the Wolves). Unlike what dishonest characters like firingline have tried to imply, we are not on some crusade, and we are not attempting to police raiders. We are simply offering what resources we have in the defense of victims of raiding, just as we have consistently done in the past for unaligned left wing states. If it's not a crusade to police raiders what's all the volunteer army and imperialism rhetoric about? Seems to me you've just set up a situation for yourself where people are either going to want you actively smashed up or just not care if you're smashed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firingline Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Sabcat said: If it's not a crusade to police raiders what's all the volunteer army and imperialism rhetoric about? Seems to me you've just set up a situation for yourself where people are either going to want you actively smashed up or just not care if you're smashed up. They're trying to move the goalposts now that they are both getting blown up and losing in the court of public opinion. From their announcement on their website: Quote Whereas, the Constitution emphatically rejects the imperialistic and exploitative practice of Tech Raiding; which is a direct threat to this stated goal. The General Congress of the Communist Party of the UCR decrees as follows: Section 1. The Communist Party condemns imperialism in all its forms, and directs the Central People's Government to promote an anti imperialist agenda of Cooperation in international relations: To this end, the UCR shall defend and uphold the right of nations to explore self determination, through the removal of imperialist threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle of Skulls Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 11:58 PM, mrmarx said: It's a bit of both. Of of The Five is former UCR. It was through them that we became aware of the scope of the Wolves' aggression, and contact was then established with the others. No action was taken until military assistance was specifically requested (by which point, some of these nations had already suffered immense damages from nuclear weapons launched by the Wolves). Unlike what dishonest characters like firingline have tried to imply, we are not on some crusade, and we are not attempting to police raiders. We are simply offering what resources we have in the defense of victims of raiding, just as we have consistently done in the past for unaligned left wing states. Then where are the time stamped screenshots of these cries for help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul711 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 11:58 PM, mrmarx said: Of of The Five is former UCR. It was through them that we became aware of the scope of the Wolves' aggression, and contact was then established with the others. Selective contacting of raid targets to justify your actions. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Bundy Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 1:42 AM, mrmarx said: Hey @AL Bundy. If you're so bored with nothing happening in this game, delete your nation and go outside. Naw Id rather just do something.... Anyone can enter PM, maybe your friend (whoever it was we poked) can just sit in PM so hes not so defenseless. Ill give you that at least you did something, was very long but yeah maybe after this is over ill only find three new raid targets instead of raiding four! Maybe you made me a better nation.... AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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