Jazzy95 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) Today I'm excited to announce an up-to-date AND interactive treaty web, https://treatyweb.claws.rocks/ ! It's still a work in progress (have fun mobile users) but it's at a point where I think most people will find it helpful. I'll add a legend to the site soon, but for now: Solid lines -> M-level defense Dotted Lines -> O-level defense Colored Line -> Blocs Arrow Lines -> Protectorates If you notice issues with the data or the site itself, please let me know! Edit: 12/26- Updated the web with images Edited December 27, 2022 by Jazzy95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tevron Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Praise Jazzy and Levon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapleo Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) Ah... the good ole treaty web. As disgusting as always. Good stuff, @Jazzy95. I have used those Claws' web things more times than I'm willing to publicly admit. This is a public service. Edited September 18, 2021 by Kapleo Kudos to GATO too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levonscott Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 I wouldn't call what I've managed to do there "untangling" it, by any stretch of the imagination... As critical as I was of the usability of the webpage (no pun intended!) itself, there's no doubt the result is quite pleasing. Good stuff, @Jazzy95! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Looks great. Thanks for all the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Thanks for reminding me of how much easier it is to have no part in any of that. Impressive work, anyway, my respect to those involved in creating the tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Nice webtool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 Nothing like a graphic to explain why this game is in a near perpetual state of inertia. Good work everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 That's pretty cool. Nice job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 Thanks for the reminder about who I'm treatied to. 🙂 (And good work!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Bundy Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 A little better than my PowerPoint slide haha Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levonscott Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said: Nothing like a graphic to explain why this game is in a near perpetual state of inertia. Good work everyone? Not to get too philosophical, but I think this is a good demonstration of human nature. Perhaps this was the inevitable end result. I think we tend towards friendship and mutual cooperation, over aggression and destruction. The better different AAs get to know each other and interact, the closer they become, and then they sign a treaty. The more treaties, the more webby it all gets, and the less wars there are; that much is common sense. Much like in real life, where growing interconnectivity has lead to the effective abolition of war as a method of solving international disputes. Say what you will about the United Nations, but there hasn't been a world war in 70 years. So yes, I think this is the perfect demonstration of why there is so much inertia, you're quite right. But I also suggest it's the perfect demonstration of humanity itself (not great for the game, but such is life?). Or maybe I'm thinking into things too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo X Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) I do not see HOOooooOOH on this and therefore question it's accuracy.** I also reject the esteemed @Levonscott's notion of "friendship" and "mutual cooperation" and move that we start to trend more towards aggression and destruction. This is more in line with my motivation for playing this game and therefore should be all of yours as well. **I kid. Even if the game is a shadow of what it once was, this is good work. Edited September 19, 2021 by Van Hoo X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Van Hoo X said: I do not see HOOooooOOH on this and therefore question it's accuracy.** I also reject the esteemed @Levonscott's notion of "friendship" and "mutual cooperation" and move that we start to trend more towards aggression and destruction. This is more in line with my motivation for playing this game and therefore should be all of yours as well. **I kid. Even if the game is a shadow of what it once was, this is good work. You'll always be out secret squirrel, Hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauron Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 This is a very nice global treaty web. Many thanks to all who had a part in its creation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krihelion Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) This is pretty cool But why is NG, a sanctioned alliance, the same size as Kashmir? Edited September 19, 2021 by Krihelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firingline Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Krihelion said: This is pretty cool But why is NG, a sanctioned alliance, the same size as Kashmir? I think it's based on number of members, I'm guessing the threshold might be at like 100 which you are just under IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dane0 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, firingline said: I think it's based on number of members, I'm guessing the threshold might be at like 100 which you are just under IIRC. 30 more members than GATO 20 more members than KoRT 40 more members than NATO 50 more members than DT 50 more members than VE 50 more members than ODN Yet all are larger than us on this web 🤷♂️ Might be strength, but that still doesn't explain VE being larger than us. Edited September 19, 2021 by dane0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Mormont Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 Dude this thing is cool. Thanks for sharing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Levonscott said: Not to get too philosophical, but I think this is a good demonstration of human nature. Perhaps this was the inevitable end result. I think we tend towards friendship and mutual cooperation, over aggression and destruction. The better different AAs get to know each other and interact, the closer they become, and then they sign a treaty. The more treaties, the more webby it all gets, and the less wars there are; that much is common sense. Much like in real life, where growing interconnectivity has lead to the effective abolition of war as a method of solving international disputes. Say what you will about the United Nations, but there hasn't been a world war in 70 years. So yes, I think this is the perfect demonstration of why there is so much inertia, you're quite right. But I also suggest it's the perfect demonstration of humanity itself (not great for the game, but such is life?). Or maybe I'm thinking into things too much? youre not wrong, but I hate this so much. Edit: and this web is great, thank you guys. Edited September 19, 2021 by kerschbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy95 Posted September 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 53 minutes ago, Krihelion said: But why is NG, a sanctioned alliance, the same size as Kashmir? Whoops, this was started before NG was sanctioned so I just hadn't added that in yet. Updated, sorry VE 💚 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 58 minutes ago, Krihelion said: This is pretty cool But why is NG, a sanctioned alliance, the same size as Kashmir? It's not about the size of the web, Unkajo. It's okay, we still love you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 14 hours ago, Levonscott said: Not to get too philosophical, but I think this is a good demonstration of human nature. Perhaps this was the inevitable end result. I think we tend towards friendship and mutual cooperation, over aggression and destruction. The better different AAs get to know each other and interact, the closer they become, and then they sign a treaty. The more treaties, the more webby it all gets, and the less wars there are; that much is common sense. Much like in real life, where growing interconnectivity has lead to the effective abolition of war as a method of solving international disputes. Say what you will about the United Nations, but there hasn't been a world war in 70 years. So yes, I think this is the perfect demonstration of why there is so much inertia, you're quite right. But I also suggest it's the perfect demonstration of humanity itself (not great for the game, but such is life?). Or maybe I'm thinking into things too much? I agree with you that the that we've reached the point where everyone active at least "knows" (on-line) almost everyone else active...at least those in leadership positions. However that's been true in the past. We don't have to all be allied to be friendly/like someone. We do not even have to be allied in order not to get in a war. I have seen situations where an alliance disbands and the members go different ways and the alliances end on opposite sides of the web and the people who like each other want nothing more than to be in range of each other to fight. Also, alliances have allied in the past with long histories of conflict prior. If there is a common goal to achieve, that can happen. I think enough people in positions of influence just do not have war as a priority. People have less time for Planet Bob. In addition, we have more alternatives for the time we have left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martialis Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 I like this. Good Jazzy! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krihelion Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Jazzy95 said: Whoops, this was started before NG was sanctioned so I just hadn't added that in yet. Updated, sorry VE 💚 You have made my day, thank you for addressing this customer service problem promptly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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