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4 hours ago, Stewie said:

 

Nobody cares.  Let's be honest grub, at this point I can hear a pin drop.  The Claws and Pacifica led coalition are stomping out the last embers of life and then everything will finally meet the heat death of bob as we all bask in the glow of allarchon.

 

But NG and Cobra will exit the end of this battle with our heads held high. 

 

People do care Stewie, the OP said this was merely a punishment and Johnny does appear to be turning the corner, a few more weeks of lobotomies just may push him to write a pro DBDC article... hoping the treatment works.

 

As for exiting with your heads held high, continuing down this dark path of misleading will only be because said heads were raised up on spikes by your enemies. Would strongly encourage you open up factual dialogue and right the ship, regardless of Caustic's advice, sometimes ultra level testosterone bull headedness just doesn't work- honest and integrity are what I recommend.

 

I say it all the time, you gotta get a good lawyer, I hired White Chocolate and her fees are high but she has been an incredible liaison. 

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12 minutes ago, Lord Hitchcock said:

 

People do care Stewie, the OP said this was merely a punishment and Johnny does appear to be turning the corner, a few more weeks of lobotomies just may push him to write a pro DBDC article... hoping the treatment works.

 

As for exiting with your heads held high, continuing down this dark path of misleading will only be because said heads were raised up on spikes by your enemies. Would strongly encourage you open up factual dialogue and right the ship, regardless of Caustic's advice, sometimes ultra level testosterone bull headedness just doesn't work- honest and integrity are what I recommend.

 

I say it all the time, you gotta get a good lawyer, I hired White Chocolate and her fees are high but she has been an incredible liaison. 

 

Factual dialogue.

 

Would be nice to know what I'm meant to be seeing...

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20 minutes ago, Stewie said:

 

Factual dialogue.

 

Would be nice to know what I'm meant to be seeing...

 

That ratty strange creature isn't worth listening to. Like the onus is upon us to open up factual dialogue...

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5 hours ago, Maelstrom Vortex said:

Rumbles irritably as he is awakened again, "Dammit.. what is it this time? Oh.. we're actually in the fight this time. I guess I better sit up and watch." Turns on massive view screen in his lair. "Go team smash the snakes and non-grata!" 

@Lyanna Mormontgot another NPO bingo card for you —scaly pretends to wake up

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11 minutes ago, janax said:

Wow, this is like fatalistic, hyporbolic persecution porn.

 

Get a grip. 🙄

Perhaps Argent would like to counter the narrative that this is just unprovoked persecution of non aligned players by providing the rest of the world with the evidence that there's a reason behind this war?

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10 hours ago, AlmightyGrub said:

 

I doubt you will ever see the evidence.  The narrative doesn't require evidence, it never has and never will.  You can either win the war or you can not.  If you can't you ask for evidence, if you can who cares? 

 

The bigger question is will anyone else care either?  COBRA is unloved and has done nothing to inspire loyalty or friendship from anyone who matters.  NG still have some friends, but will their friends risk everything to charge the gates of hell on their behalf?

 

But there for the grace of God go I?

 

 

 

Oh ye of little faith....

 

Our allies may not 'matter' like the rest of the alliances who sit around with their thumbs up their ass. We may not be loved by people who would demand we pucker up to earn their favour.

 

We love the people who actually matter to us, who have always stood by our side and who we have always done the same for. Loyalty is commanded when it is simultaneously demonstrated. It makes no difference to me how 'relevant' or 'important' my alliance or my allies are in the eyes of people who do not care.

 

I'd rather get !@#$ flung at me by people who think they're better than me than lick boots for a living. At least I don't have !@#$ all over my hands and instead my boots are covered in my enemies blood.

 

We have been descended on by 700~ nations at the behest of one rabid cat and your older brother. As far as I'm concerned, whatever I have done to build my alliance to pose this much of a threat to them? I consider that a win in it's own right.

 

Some will die in hot pursuit in fiery auto crashes,

Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes,

Some will fall will in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring down like an avalanche coming down a mountain.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

As far as I'm concerned, whatever I have done to build my alliance to pose this much of a threat to them? I consider that a win in it's own right.


Pity the answer to that is: "You're just standing by and defending the wrong set of people." It's really that simple.

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5 minutes ago, Maelstrom Vortex said:


Pity the answer to that is: "You're just standing by and defending the wrong set of people." It's really that simple.

 

You attacked us, so I should not defend my own people?

 

That thinking may be commonplace in Pacifica but it sure as hell isn't in my house.

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8 minutes ago, Maelstrom Vortex said:


Pity the answer to that is: "You're just standing by and defending the wrong set of people." It's really that simple.

 

Can you go point by point through your signature and tell me the significance of each part? I feel like this is a treasure trove of story and I am here for it. 

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2 hours ago, janax said:

Wow, this is like fatalistic, hyporbolic persecution porn.

 

Get a grip. 🙄


Still waiting for you to explain why you are attacking us.  But we both know there is no reason.  The only question is, is this going to be an annual tradition, in between letting your DBDC allies antagonize our little corner of the web for the entire interceding year, punctuated with disingenuous NAPs you have no intention of upholding, or are you just going to drag this one out as a war of extermination?

The respectable sheen is coming off, Argent, we see who you really are now.

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1 minute ago, HeroofTime55 said:

The respectable sheen is coming off, Argent, we see who you really are now.

 

Not only Argent, I could see something like this coming from NPO/Claws, they have cowardly tendencies, the others I thought to be more honorable, specially GATO and Argent, don't know the others much to be fair, but I'm almost certain they were dragged into it, judging by some things I've read here and there. Still one needs to know when too much is too much, even for an ally. I love Cobra, Johnny and all, but we have known to tell each other to f*ck off when we think one of us is in the wrong, but I'm afraid "allies" up there are something more of convenience/fear than it is about mutual appreciation. 

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4 hours ago, janax said:

Wow, this is like fatalistic, hyporbolic persecution porn.

 

Get a grip. 🙄

 

Is it hentai? At least it's free!

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Lord Hitchcock said:

I say it all the time, you gotta get a good lawyer, I hired White Chocolate and her fees are high but she has been an incredible liaison. 

 

We do have a good lawyer. We have me.

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13 hours ago, citizenkane said:

This is the type of hypocrisy that we've all come to know and hate from NPO. 

 

NPO were the first to say "WE NEED TO SEE EVIDENCE!" But refuse to give it when the time comes.

 

How pathetic.  

 

If I had a choice of being friends with NPO or a murderer, I'd choose the murderer because at least you'd know what they are. With NPO, you never know what's going to happen. One day fine, the next day you're being attacked for no reason and wondering what on earth is going on. 

 

I concur comrade, to a point.   The reality is reality is determined by those who have sufficient power to prosecute their will.  The reality is that once upon a time there was sufficient alliances that could be swayed by the rhetoric of the attacker or the defender to maybe make an actual difference to the outcome of wars, so pretending to give a toss about reasons and justifications was the game within the political game.  Now everyone is either directly allied, somewhat allied or non-allied to the central tit, Oculus, and that determines the need to justify or otherwise.

 

I feel very conflicted at this point, I personally signed a treaty with Pacifica, but I also signed a treaty with Non Grata.  At the time these treaties were signed they were not in conflict, in fact far from it.  Now these treaty partners are at war for the second time in very recent history.  

 

I am also conflicted because I have personally used whatever reason I needed to attack an alliance without real connections to anyone with political strength to resist me, and as previously stated I see no particular reason to not hit someone you don't like.  The NADC would argue that I attacked for no reason at all for example.  If I was being honest, I was glad when they departed the world, they were a !@#$%* alliance who set themselves in opposition to me, intentionally or unintentionally, and so they paid the price.

 

I look across Bob now and I see dozens and dozens of alliances who would all legitimately have a grievance with Polar or myself for the decade plus of tyranny of  Sponge and Grub.  Some I have managed to become friends with, others will never be part of my fan club.  I know that the only reason Polar isn't attacked on a constant basis is our treaties but how can I value our treaties differently and justify it to even myself?

 

Luckily I chose to retire from Council permanently and no longer have control of the keys to the tanks, so someone else will need to make the decisions this time.  Our ally has shown us their justification, it is not for me to question their thought processes, it is however inevitable that I will weigh the veracity of their claims against the background of my 15 years on Bob.  What happens after that process is anyone's guess, I am pretty much the last person who will ever judge a tyrant for being a tyrant.

 

Hypocritical behavior is only hypocritical to those who think in those terms, to a tyrant anything is an option and anything is possible.  We are not all wired the same, our differences are what make us unique and interesting.  The question really is, as always, can you do anything about it?

 

I am not sure what the answer is anymore, I am not sure I even care.  Skulls for the skull throne works on a whole lot of levels for me, until it is my skull you seek.  Even then I guess I will be pretty happy. Knowing you are hated is just as good as being loved to someone who was almost someone once. 

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Johnny and I have been saying that ourselves.

 

Twice in recent memory Non Grata has faced a declaration of several times our nation count.

 

Personally I'm flattered that they think we have that level of firepower.

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37 minutes ago, AlmightyGrub said:

 

I concur comrade, to a point.   The reality is reality is determined by those who have sufficient power to prosecute their will.  The reality is that once upon a time there was sufficient alliances that could be swayed by the rhetoric of the attacker or the defender to maybe make an actual difference to the outcome of wars, so pretending to give a toss about reasons and justifications was the game within the political game.  Now everyone is either directly allied, somewhat allied or non-allied to the central tit, Oculus, and that determines the need to justify or otherwise.

 

I feel very conflicted at this point, I personally signed a treaty with Pacifica, but I also signed a treaty with Non Grata.  At the time these treaties were signed they were not in conflict, in fact far from it.  Now these treaty partners are at war for the second time in very recent history.  

 

I am also conflicted because I have personally used whatever reason I needed to attack an alliance without real connections to anyone with political strength to resist me, and as previously stated I see no particular reason to not hit someone you don't like.  The NADC would argue that I attacked for no reason at all for example.  If I was being honest, I was glad when they departed the world, they were a !@#$%* alliance who set themselves in opposition to me, intentionally or unintentionally, and so they paid the price.

 

I look across Bob now and I see dozens and dozens of alliances who would all legitimately have a grievance with Polar or myself for the decade plus of tyranny of  Sponge and Grub.  Some I have managed to become friends with, others will never be part of my fan club.  I know that the only reason Polar isn't attacked on a constant basis is our treaties but how can I value our treaties differently and justify it to even myself?

 

Luckily I chose to retire from Council permanently and no longer have control of the keys to the tanks, so someone else will need to make the decisions this time.  Our ally has shown us their justification, it is not for me to question their thought processes, it is however inevitable that I will weigh the veracity of their claims against the background of my 15 years on Bob.  What happens after that process is anyone's guess, I am pretty much the last person who will ever judge a tyrant for being a tyrant.

 

Hypocritical behavior is only hypocritical to those who think in those terms, to a tyrant anything is an option and anything is possible.  We are not all wired the same, our differences are what make us unique and interesting.  The question really is, as always, can you do anything about it?

 

I am not sure what the answer is anymore, I am not sure I even care.  Skulls for the skull throne works on a whole lot of levels for me, until it is my skull you seek.  Even then I guess I will be pretty happy. Knowing you are hated is just as good as being loved to someone who was almost someone once. 

 

The honorary thing of course, is to tell the people who you are attacking, why they're being attacked. 

 

NPO acts without honour, and that of course will be reflected in the battles and in the trenches of dear soliders who fight on our behalf.  

 

Convincing your allies to act with integrity should always be top of the priority list.  Saying "We're hitting you because we dont like you" is an acceptable CB. 

 

Hitting alliances with a reason then withholding that information, so that the nations of bob cannot scrutinise it, is quite frankly, as I've already stated, NPO being NPO.

 

They are of course up to their old tricks. 

 

Its not public, and they havent told NG, because it simply doesnt stand up to scrutiny. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, HeroofTime55 said:


Still waiting for you to explain why you are attacking us.  But we both know there is no reason.  The only question is, is this going to be an annual tradition, in between letting your DBDC allies antagonize our little corner of the web for the entire interceding year, punctuated with disingenuous NAPs you have no intention of upholding, or are you just going to drag this one out as a war of extermination?

The respectable sheen is coming off, Argent, we see who you really are now.

I'm the founder, but no longer the Emperor.  I stepped down in 2013.  I'm just a small mouthpiece of government now.

 

I don't make the decisions as to what is or isn't released.  I feel confident that it's not a war of extermination.  PZI went away long ago.  Forced disbandment as well.

 

Also, we hold not treaties, public or private, with DBDC.  

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