Round 55: A brief recap is in order...

[tehol]

Round 55 has been ... eventful so far.

 

AW started the round, howling from the gates: 

 

 

In that thread, D1 admits to starting the dirty op dumpster fire (specifically, Bato conducts dirty ops, AW asks D1 to stop or we will be forced to retaliate, and HG refuses).

 

Meanwhile, SToR offers to help attack D1 with AW on a specific day in the future. But, curiously, is "held up" by a single rogue. With some diplomatic prowess demonstrated by yours truly, the "rogue" (in reality a cultist who was merely tasting some waste) offers peace to SToR. Nonetheless... SToR delays, thus prompting AW's DNS attack: 

 

AW agreed to peace with D1. HG asked for a period of peace:

 

 

 and AW said "fair enough", and offered a suggested deal:

 

 

Which was agreed to:

 

 

And then violated:

 

 

 

Not only was the peace violated, it was violated while AW was at war with SToR and OP. Despite AW's inclusion of NLON in its DNS Attack, we truly have a soft spot for the historic alliance. So it was with some consternation when we saw SToR not only continue to ignore D1, and not only ignore OP, but also to hit NLON, who was still recovering from the DNS attack. This prompted our second attack on SToR. At this point, our suspicions that SToR is really "D2" are becoming more and more clear:
 

 

Regardless, we peaced out with D2 eventually:

 

 

And shortly thereafter, we agreed to peace with D1: 

 

 

And yet, spy ops, dirty spy ops from D2 continued, despite agreement to peace from D2's leaders. And AW responded:

 

Of course, we never actually wanted to fight D2 this round. Our focus has been on D1 (and it remains so). But D2 would not agree to peace, and it slowly became unambiguous that there *is no SToR*, there is only D1, and D2:

 

 

Especially once D2 removed the facade:

 

 

 

Of course, we were blind to reality, and tried to reach peace on reasonable grounds anyway:

 

 

 

Of course, instead, D1 simply hit us, as requested by D2 I would presume.

 

And then when we asked for peace, with a truce period as previously requested by D1, peace was rejected:

 

 

Although D1 was not willing to agree to peace, D2 was:

 

 

 

 

 

And yet, as hostilities with D1 continued, D2 has decided to again join the fray:

 

 

 

And here we stand.

Edited December 12, 2020 by tehol

[tehol]

Oh, and special thanks to NLON! From saving us from D1's side swipe while we were responding to D2's spy ops during "peace"

[Lord Hitchcock]

Take a few Advil after that heavy lifting attempt.

 

We have warred D1 and given them good fights. In fact, I believe last round we warred alongside AW, in a coordinating channel, and I was not a fan of AWs exit that war, we chose to continue that pursue of D1 the remainder of the round, including our character assassination of Dolly the sheep’s evil cousin, SoT.

 

My personal relationship with many in D1 were damaged, and others held on a fringe. Feeling this round would likely be a similar repeat.

 

But alas AW finds a way to screw things up, SToR getting off to a later start in the round was somehow misconstrued as a back door plotting attempt, dirty ops against SToR, and fawning over BGs day 1 war on our unbuilt nations.

 

We tried working with AW, buncha idiots. Don’t be all salty when the choices are you, worthless NLoN, inactive OP, or Sketchy HG... sadly the latter is easiest to work with. Work with, ie, coordinate fair started war without shenanigans.

 

Again, you blew it, and here we see a quadruple-down (as we eye rolled at your multiple double down attempts). 

 

[tehol]

The funniest thing about this is how HG and Mitten are effectively the mascots of each D1 and D2: they share a near perfect ability to deny facts that don't conform withtheir crocodile tears, a mirror image reflection in each.

[ADude]

On 12/12/2020 at 5:48 PM, Lord Hitchcock said:

Take a few Advil after that heavy lifting attempt.

 

We have warred D1 and given them good fights. In fact, I believe last round we warred alongside AW, in a coordinating channel, and I was not a fan of AWs exit that war, we chose to continue that pursue of D1 the remainder of the round, including our character assassination of Dolly the sheep’s evil cousin, SoT

 

https://imgur.com/WGD4Ffd

 

You seem pretty upset.

 

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But alas AW finds a way to screw things up, SToR getting off to a later start in the round was somehow misconstrued as a back door plotting attempt, dirty ops against SToR, and fawning over BGs day 1 war on our unbuilt nations.

 

1: The first hit from BG on SToR was on 11/2/20 - Which was 10 days into the round, if you aren't ready to go by day 10, I guess I'm sorry for you? -"Bruh" Edit - Ya'll were hit by one nation...

 

2: We were under specific instructions from Tehol to not dirty op anyone, that was until D1 did it in the first day of our war, after that we just assumed that everyone was going down that path, especially considering that you have done nothing but dirty ops in and outside of war.

 

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We tried working with AW, buncha idiots. Don’t be all salty when the choices are you, worthless NLoN, inactive OP, or Sketchy HG... sadly the latter is easiest to work with. Work with, ie, coordinate fair started war without shenanigans.

1: You are one to talk about being bad, literally all you have done is send CM's and some underdog GA's when we fight.

2: Fair started war without shenanigans? How is it that every time we hit someone either you or D1 show up? What about when you were spying me outside of war? How about when D1 broke peace truce to hit us (While we were in a war with you?). Definitely sounds fair my guy.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Highroad

[HiredGun]

1 hour ago, Highroad said:

https://imgur.com/WGD4Ffd

 

You seem pretty upset.

 

 

1: The first hit from BG on SToR was on 11/2/20 - Which was 10 days into the round, if you aren't ready to go by day 10, I guess I'm sorry for you? -"Bruh" Edit - Ya'll were hit by one nation...

 

2: We were under specific instructions from Tehol to not dirty op anyone, that was until D1 did it in the first day of our war, after that we just assumed that everyone was going down that path, especially considering that you have done nothing but dirty ops in and outside of war.

 

1: You are one to talk about being bad, literally all you have done is send CM's and some underdog GA's when we fight.

2: Fair started war without shenanigans? How is it that every time we hit someone either you or D1 show up? What about when you were spying me outside of war? How about when D1 broke peace truce to hit us (While we were in a war with you?). Definitely sounds fair my guy.

AW have always been a cheap shot alliance against D1 so there it is no surprise to us you have taken every opportunity to get one over us this round but if we played the same in previous rounds, AW would have quit long ago. While we have had to teach AW some hard lessons, our goal has never been to push AW from the game and we've pulled back when we thought we were going too far. Take last round, you attacked us in the first 2 wars and we responded with our own, as soon as we noticed players falling off we pulled back our aggression in the final weeks.

 

This round you've attacked us immediately after building on day 7 which is unprecedented to attack this early let alone before some of us could collect while we've always waited for AW to secure their first collection so we wouldn't ruined their rounds then shortly after we might declare war.  AW then proceeded to give us 3 days of peace and before we could recover you declared on us again alongside an alliance full of kamikaze rogues. In the past we've always given alliances a minimum of 5 days but usually 7 days before engaging again, this gave them enough time to collect. 

 

Anytime AW gains the upper hand you continue to abuse D1 like you did in round 50 and while you might believe we have treated you unfairly in the past, we didn't pursue AW in the same manner you have against D1. AW only proves to everyone you cannot be trusted with any power over others in this game, hence why we've had to shut you down round in, round out before you wrecked havoc on everyone in the game. We've destroyed every other abusive tyrant wannabe alliance in the past and to their credit they had more knowledge of the game.

 

Anyway if AW wants to fight for the last alliance standing then game on but don't blame us when your alliance is no longer around.

[HiredGun]

On 12/13/2020 at 5:24 AM, tehol said:

Round 55 has been ... eventful so far.

 

AW started the round, howling from the gates: 

 

 

In that thread, D1 admits to starting the dirty op dumpster fire (specifically, Bato conducts dirty ops, AW asks D1 to stop or we will be forced to retaliate, and HG refuses).

 

Meanwhile, SToR offers to help attack D1 with AW on a specific day in the future. But, curiously, is "held up" by a single rogue. With some diplomatic prowess demonstrated by yours truly, the "rogue" (in reality a cultist who was merely tasting some waste) offers peace to SToR. Nonetheless... SToR delays, thus prompting AW's DNS attack: 

 

AW agreed to peace with D1. HG asked for a period of peace:

 

 

 and AW said "fair enough", and offered a suggested deal:

 

 

Which was agreed to:

 

 

And then violated:

 

 

 

Not only was the peace violated, it was violated while AW was at war with SToR and OP. Despite AW's inclusion of NLON in its DNS Attack, we truly have a soft spot for the historic alliance. So it was with some consternation when we saw SToR not only continue to ignore D1, and not only ignore OP, but also to hit NLON, who was still recovering from the DNS attack. This prompted our second attack on SToR. At this point, our suspicions that SToR is really "D2" are becoming more and more clear:
 

 

Regardless, we peaced out with D2 eventually:

 

 

And shortly thereafter, we agreed to peace with D1: 

 

 

And yet, spy ops, dirty spy ops from D2 continued, despite agreement to peace from D2's leaders. And AW responded:

 

Of course, we never actually wanted to fight D2 this round. Our focus has been on D1 (and it remains so). But D2 would not agree to peace, and it slowly became unambiguous that there *is no SToR*, there is only D1, and D2:

 

 

Especially once D2 removed the facade:

 

 

 

Of course, we were blind to reality, and tried to reach peace on reasonable grounds anyway:

 

 

 

Of course, instead, D1 simply hit us, as requested by D2 I would presume.

 

And then when we asked for peace, with a truce period as previously requested by D1, peace was rejected:

 

 

Although D1 was not willing to agree to peace, D2 was:

 

 

 

 

 

And yet, as hostilities with D1 continued, D2 has decided to again join the fray:

 

 

 

And here we stand.

If peace was to round up the entire day then you are complaining over us attacking 16 minutes early. After your day 7 war you gave us 3 days peace before re-declaring your second war on us so that was 2 wars within the span of 15 days. What happened to the courtesy of giving your opponents a minimum of 5 days peace?

 

I hope you know we're going to treat AW the same way they treat us moving forward.

Edited December 14, 2020 by HiredGun

[HiredGun]

And that trash alliance that only knows how to third party others, Nlon. 🤡

Edited December 14, 2020 by HiredGun

[ADude]

16 hours ago, HiredGun said:

AW have always been a cheap shot alliance against D1 so there it is no surprise to us you have taken every opportunity to get one over us this round but if we played the same in previous rounds, AW would have quit long ago. While we have had to teach AW some hard lessons, our goal has never been to push AW from the game and we've pulled back when we thought we were going too far. Take last round, you attacked us in the first 2 wars and we responded with our own, as soon as we noticed players falling off we pulled back our aggression in the final weeks.

 

You pulled back because you were ahead and ran away with it, and that's fine. 

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This round you've attacked us immediately after building on day 7 which is unprecedented to attack this early let alone before some of us could collect while we've always waited for AW to secure their first collection so we wouldn't ruined their rounds then shortly after we might declare war.  AW then proceeded to give us 3 days of peace and before we could recover you declared on us again alongside an alliance full of kamikaze rogues. In the past we've always given alliances a minimum of 5 days but usually 7 days before engaging again, this gave them enough time to collect. 

It's not unprecedented at all, I can remember many rounds ago where people attacked day 7 quite commonly. I'm sorry that we didn't allow you to control the pace of the round by letting you collect under perfect conditions, maybe next time you shouldn't have people build and not collect 8 hours. That seems like bad strategy.

 

In those 3 days of peace we were able to regroup/collect and declare again, why weren't you able to if we are so bad?

 

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If peace was to round up the entire day then you are complaining over us attacking 16 minutes early. After your day 7 war you gave us 3 days peace before re-declaring your second war on us so that was 2 wars within the span of 15 days. What happened to the courtesy of giving your opponents a minimum of 5 days peace?

 

I hope you know we're going to treat AW the same way they treat us moving forward.

 

Because I can do an entire days worth of attacks in 5 minutes, if it's before update that's what matters.

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Highroad

[ADude]

4 hours ago, HiredGun said:

And that trash alliance that only knows how to third party others, Nlon. 🤡

That's a lot coming from someone whos offensive wars this round have only been on the backs of other on-going wars...... 🤡

[HiredGun]

5 hours ago, Highroad said:

 

You pulled back because you were ahead and ran away with it, and that's fine. 

It's not unprecedented at all, I can remember many rounds ago where people attacked day 7 quite commonly. I'm sorry that we didn't allow you to control the pace of the round by letting you collect under perfect conditions, maybe next time you shouldn't have people build and not collect 8 hours. That seems like bad strategy.

 

In those 3 days of peace we were able to regroup/collect and declare again, why weren't you able to if we are so bad?

 

 

Because I can do an entire days worth of attacks in 5 minutes, if it's before update that's what matter

 

We’re fine playing under your rules, it will make our job easier but don’t be a hypocrite and complain when you’re treated the same.
 

You down declared a couple of SotR members to avoid us because you knew we had plans to attack you. You are well aware what we are capable of and why you’ve committed every cheap shot in the book to try keep us down. Even with the fools in Nlon you’re still struggling. 

[ADude]

2 hours ago, HiredGun said:

We’re fine playing under your rules, it will make our job easier but don’t be a hypocrite and complain when you’re treated the same.
 

You down declared a couple of SotR members to avoid us because you knew we had plans to attack you. You are well aware what we are capable of and why you’ve committed every cheap shot in the book to try keep us down. Even with the fools in Nlon you’re still struggling. 

We retaliated against SToR because they continued to spy us outside of war, spying last I checked was an act of war.

[tehol]

I believe all of the above speaks for itself, except I would add that I've previously seen HG claim the minimum time between wars was 2 days, which I dutifully respected.

[tehol]

Oh, sorry there is one more thing actually, about HG's Round 50 comments: despite our alleged unfair tactics that round, D1 still destroyed us. Hence my signature quoting Lyanna "I have never seen someone get so mad about winning".

[HiredGun]

4 hours ago, tehol said:

I believe all of the above speaks for itself, except I would add that I've previously seen HG claim the minimum time between wars was 2 days, which I dutifully respected.

Do you have proof I've said 2 days minimum between wars? I will bet you can never find any because I have never said that or are you going to lie to justify your actions?

 

4 hours ago, tehol said:

Oh, sorry there is one more thing actually, about HG's Round 50 comments: despite our alleged unfair tactics that round, D1 still destroyed us. Hence my signature quoting Lyanna "I have never seen someone get so mad about winning".

D1 never won a war against AW in round 50, as soon as we built AW attacked us so I have no idea what you are talking about and no one gets mad about winning, losers complain and that's what happened here.

 

[HiredGun]

5 hours ago, Highroad said:

We retaliated against SToR because they continued to spy us outside of war, spying last I checked was an act of war.

Massive down declares still don't count as a legitimate war.

[ADude]

17 minutes ago, HiredGun said:

Massive down declares still don't count as a legitimate war.

I'm sorry but I don't think you understand that... they hit us by continuing to spy outside of what was a very legitimate war.

 

Ya'll hitting us while we were in that continued war though? Well that's just a case of what would D2 be without D1?

[tehol]

It's possible I'm mistaken on the "2 days" item. But I seem to recall it being an issue between NLON and D1, I thought.

 

D1 won round 50. Look at the prizes:

 

Peak Nation Strength - 51481.07 - Scotlando ruled by Jiros
Most Government Bills - 173,783,283.91 - Jack and Bean ruled by JimBundy
Most Popular - 56 Senate Votes - Ithaca ruled by Ulysses
Most Land - 4,359.16 - Killie ruled by bunnet
Most Nuclear Launches - 102 - Gilas ruled by hagdang bato
Most Destructive War - 49,974.70 - The Cell Games Arena vs Angmar

Alliance With Most Soldiers Killed - DEFCON 1 - 10,718,721 Kills
Most Attacking Casualties in DEFCON 1 #1 - 301,019 Casualties - Carpet Beetle ruled by Carpet Beetle
Most Attacking Casualties in DEFCON 1 #2 - 292,062 Casualties - wapayabass ruled by l Tosh l

It's not a down-declare if you are defending in the war. It's fighting back against an updeclare.

Edited December 15, 2020 by tehol

[HiredGun]

44 minutes ago, Highroad said:

I'm sorry but I don't think you understand that... they hit us by continuing to spy outside of what was a very legitimate war.

 

Ya'll hitting us while we were in that continued war though? Well that's just a case of what would D2 be without D1?

We know, you thought you could avoid us by dog-piling SotR.

 

38 minutes ago, tehol said:

It's possible I'm mistaken on the "2 days" item. But I seem to recall it being an issue between NLON and D1, I thought.

 

D1 won round 50. Look at the prizes:

 

Peak Nation Strength - 51481.07 - Scotlando ruled by Jiros
Most Government Bills - 173,783,283.91 - Jack and Bean ruled by JimBundy
Most Popular - 56 Senate Votes - Ithaca ruled by Ulysses
Most Land - 4,359.16 - Killie ruled by bunnet
Most Nuclear Launches - 102 - Gilas ruled by hagdang bato
Most Destructive War - 49,974.70 - The Cell Games Arena vs Angmar

Alliance With Most Soldiers Killed - DEFCON 1 - 10,718,721 Kills
Most Attacking Casualties in DEFCON 1 #1 - 301,019 Casualties - Carpet Beetle ruled by Carpet Beetle
Most Attacking Casualties in DEFCON 1 #2 - 292,062 Casualties - wapayabass ruled by l Tosh l

It's not a down-declare if you are defending in the war. It's fighting back against an updeclare.

If it involves Nlon then they attacked us 2 days after we declared.  Besides JimBundy (OP),  D1 won every other award but we still didn't win a war against AW for the simple fact we weren't allowed to recover and it appears AW is resorting to these tactics again. Winning wars does not translate into winning awards, in many rounds D1 has won every war but that didn't always translate into winning awards.

 

[ADude]

3 minutes ago, HiredGun said:

We know, you thought you could avoid us by dog-piling SotR.

 

You cannot "dog pile" someone that is continuing to hit you, that's not how it works. Although I guess defending ourselves is out of the question, infact we had other plans and wanted to ignore SToR but Mitten forced our hand on that unfortunately. 

 

Also we are the only alliance in the game that has hit every AA, how many have ya'll declared on this round? Better yet how many alliances have you hit that weren't already involved in war or that you had to break a truce to do so. 🤡

[HiredGun]

2 hours ago, Highroad said:

 

You cannot "dog pile" someone that is continuing to hit you, that's not how it works. Although I guess defending ourselves is out of the question, infact we had other plans and wanted to ignore SToR but Mitten forced our hand on that unfortunately. 

 

Also we are the only alliance in the game that has hit every AA, how many have ya'll declared on this round? Better yet how many alliances have you hit that weren't already involved in war or that you had to break a truce to do so. 🤡

When you are double the size of SotR you can quite easily dog pile them and you did by slotting all their defensive slots. If AW wasn't busy trying to cut off our legs at every opportunity we'd have also been diverse like we have our entire existence. All that has changed is we have to deal with a cheap shot alliance that has done everything it can to ruin our collections and succeeded for the most part yet you're still struggling.

[Admiral Alexander]

Lol the level of salt in this thread is marvelous.... yet I take issue with some things here.  HG is misrepresenting the facts... and actually for that matter so is SToR. 

 

Firstly - our attack on day 7 was not unprecedented at all.  Do you remember declaring on us when we had ZI and were still waiting to build and collect?   You declared, built up, collected, and then proceeded to IRS and dirty spy ops us before we event built to mess up or collection. 

 

Secondly - you talk about peace and how we're continually pounding on D1 this round... do you remember that you VIOLATED the terms of our peace agreement?   Tehol specifically highlighted when war could begin (AFTER UPDATE) on a specific date.  You hit us before update with a double tap. Bunnet would like to point out it was only 15 minutes earlier than specified. But that makes a huge difference.  If we though there was a chance you'd hit us before update we'd have made different decisions.  If you hit us 15 minutes later it's only 2GAs which has limited risk of Anarchy and majorly affecting our collections.  And the higher likelyhood of the attacks occuring the following pre-update.  In which case we might've hit you first, splitting fireteams.  

Third - We offered you peace for this war, which you declared on us (reminder).  You DECLINED and stated you wouldn't allow us to set the pace.  So we re-declared as soon as our wars expired... because you denied peace. 

Fourth- We didn't pick a fight with SToR.... they picked it with us.  OUT OF WAR spy ops is what caused us to down declare on SToR.  When we were asked to peace, we told them the terms. Kick out and disavow the player that is spying us during peace and we would have happily peaced out with SToR.  We didn't DOW on you, you did it to us by spying. 

 

These are simply facts not opinions.  Our actions were in response to specific triggers and events and we gave every opportunity to change the course of the game.  I'd love to see some responses to these, directly.  Not redirection or claiming other things we've done in a circular argument. What do you have to say about these specific points?  Do you deny them, deny the evidence we have in screen shots?  Because, I don't see how without outright denying fact you can try to shift the blame to us...  You're hiding the truth from your alliance members and just sowing discontent and salt. 

 

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter to me what you say.  I'll keep enjoying the game so long as a single wolf is playing the game.  Winning/losing/dirty tactics don't matter to me.  Just don't try to hide your toxic actions and try to pin them back on us without any evidence or proof to back up your claims. 

 

 

[HiredGun]

2 hours ago, Admiral Alexander said:

Lol the level of salt in this thread is marvelous.... yet I take issue with some things here.  HG is misrepresenting the facts... and actually for that matter so is SToR. 

 

Firstly - our attack on day 7 was not unprecedented at all.  Do you remember declaring on us when we had ZI and were still waiting to build and collect?   You declared, built up, collected, and then proceeded to IRS and dirty spy ops us before we event built to mess up or collection. 

 

Secondly - you talk about peace and how we're continually pounding on D1 this round... do you remember that you VIOLATED the terms of our peace agreement?   Tehol specifically highlighted when war could begin (AFTER UPDATE) on a specific date.  You hit us before update with a double tap. Bunnet would like to point out it was only 15 minutes earlier than specified. But that makes a huge difference.  If we though there was a chance you'd hit us before update we'd have made different decisions.  If you hit us 15 minutes later it's only 2GAs which has limited risk of Anarchy and majorly affecting our collections.  And the higher likelyhood of the attacks occuring the following pre-update.  In which case we might've hit you first, splitting fireteams.  

Third - We offered you peace for this war, which you declared on us (reminder).  You DECLINED and stated you wouldn't allow us to set the pace.  So we re-declared as soon as our wars expired... because you denied peace. 

Fourth- We didn't pick a fight with SToR.... they picked it with us.  OUT OF WAR spy ops is what caused us to down declare on SToR.  When we were asked to peace, we told them the terms. Kick out and disavow the player that is spying us during peace and we would have happily peaced out with SToR.  We didn't DOW on you, you did it to us by spying. 

 

These are simply facts not opinions.  Our actions were in response to specific triggers and events and we gave every opportunity to change the course of the game.  I'd love to see some responses to these, directly.  Not redirection or claiming other things we've done in a circular argument. What do you have to say about these specific points?  Do you deny them, deny the evidence we have in screen shots?  Because, I don't see how without outright denying fact you can try to shift the blame to us...  You're hiding the truth from your alliance members and just sowing discontent and salt. 

 

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter to me what you say.  I'll keep enjoying the game so long as a single wolf is playing the game.  Winning/losing/dirty tactics don't matter to me.  Just don't try to hide your toxic actions and try to pin them back on us without any evidence or proof to back up your claims. 

 

 

You’ll need to state which round we attacked you on day 7 because it sounds like you are either confused or lying, which is it? The only time we’ve attacked on day 7 was round 50 but it had nothing to do with AW (you would later third party us after being at war with +20 nuclear rogues for a few weeks), we pre-emptively struck all unaffiliated nations building military wonders and those who tool part in roguing us the round before.
 

We’re not doing anymore truce time frames, this is another new rule AW are trying to bring into the game and while you are welcome to ask, D1 will be declining. Everyone use to give those fresh out of war the courtesy of at least 5 days to build and collect, we like tradition. 

We already had plans to hit you and didn’t attack you because of SotR although we hit a day early after they approached us directly to intervene on their behalf. AW have committed atrocities all round so I proudly accepted. If you hadn’t abused SotR the way you have then they wouldn’t have a problem and neither would we. 
 

You’ve been the biggest D1/HG hater for years now, why would you care what I say.  My philosophy has always been you’ll only be treated the same way you treat us so blame yourself for those grudges you hold so dearly. 
 

 

 

[HiredGun]

4 hours ago, Admiral Alexander said:

Lol the level of salt in this thread is marvelous.... yet I take issue with some things here.  HG is misrepresenting the facts... and actually for that matter so is SToR. 

 

Firstly - our attack on day 7 was not unprecedented at all.  Do you remember declaring on us when we had ZI and were still waiting to build and collect?   You declared, built up, collected, and then proceeded to IRS and dirty spy ops us before we event built to mess up or collection. 

 

Secondly - you talk about peace and how we're continually pounding on D1 this round... do you remember that you VIOLATED the terms of our peace agreement?   Tehol specifically highlighted when war could begin (AFTER UPDATE) on a specific date.  You hit us before update with a double tap. Bunnet would like to point out it was only 15 minutes earlier than specified. But that makes a huge difference.  If we though there was a chance you'd hit us before update we'd have made different decisions.  If you hit us 15 minutes later it's only 2GAs which has limited risk of Anarchy and majorly affecting our collections.  And the higher likelyhood of the attacks occuring the following pre-update.  In which case we might've hit you first, splitting fireteams.  

Third - We offered you peace for this war, which you declared on us (reminder).  You DECLINED and stated you wouldn't allow us to set the pace.  So we re-declared as soon as our wars expired... because you denied peace. 

Fourth- We didn't pick a fight with SToR.... they picked it with us.  OUT OF WAR spy ops is what caused us to down declare on SToR.  When we were asked to peace, we told them the terms. Kick out and disavow the player that is spying us during peace and we would have happily peaced out with SToR.  We didn't DOW on you, you did it to us by spying. 

 

These are simply facts not opinions.  Our actions were in response to specific triggers and events and we gave every opportunity to change the course of the game.  I'd love to see some responses to these, directly.  Not redirection or claiming other things we've done in a circular argument. What do you have to say about these specific points?  Do you deny them, deny the evidence we have in screen shots?  Because, I don't see how without outright denying fact you can try to shift the blame to us...  You're hiding the truth from your alliance members and just sowing discontent and salt. 

 

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter to me what you say.  I'll keep enjoying the game so long as a single wolf is playing the game.  Winning/losing/dirty tactics don't matter to me.  Just don't try to hide your toxic actions and try to pin them back on us without any evidence or proof to back up your claims. 

 

 

I don’t hide anything from our vets, if it’s important and you are addressing mwah 😘 then you’re addressing all of our senior vets.
 

Just to add on I’m still only here for our small community, I’m not here for awards or glory. I can only speak for myself here but I’ve achieved everything I wanted and have had a great time doing it. I’ve been saying to our vets that this is great and keeps the game interesting plus adds more weapons to our arsenal. That doesn’t  mean I condone your actions but I certainly understand them given how effective D1 has been for many years. AW should stop being cowards and challenge us on equal footings, your grudge and actions have only pushed people from the game and most have been your own members. 
 

Over the last few years everyone except the very few who sit on the fence have merged to challenge D1. Cowboy and Wile left D1 with our support to do the same and hothead Highroad believes AW is now a better alliance but that’s a joke and AW vets of all people know it. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by HiredGun

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In other news - @Lord Hitchcock has been ZI'd - Time to pack it up boys..