Lord Hitchcock Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said: Watch yourself. The next time you attack us, there will be no peace agreement. The next time there is a war between SNX and M Inc, your scalp will serve as my drink coaster. Edited January 14, 2017 by Lord Hitchcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Lord Hitchcock said: The next time there is a war between SNX and M Inc, your scalp will serve as my drink coaster. We all know you like to leverage other people to fight your wars for you, while you are too lazy to contribute towards any fighting yourself. Everytime I have fought your nation you might as well have been mud I scraped off my boot. At least Methrage has real fighting spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alonso Quixano Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said: Your position is ironic for someone from a "socialist" alliance. Please. Explain. My position is that you are no libertarian, and that you are Imperialistic. Thus you changed your alliance name to reflect that point. If you would like to continue to deflect from how you're in a bloc with libertarians, and you're not a libertarian, then please, tell me how my position is "ironic" for someone in a socialist alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said: Please. Explain. My position is that you are no libertarian, and that you are Imperialistic. Thus you changed your alliance name to reflect that point. If you would like to continue to deflect from how you're in a bloc with libertarians, and you're not a libertarian, then please, tell me how my position is "ironic" for someone in a socialist alliance. You are one person in a choir of people disgruntled because actions the Imperium has taken to defend ourselves in a hostile, barbaric world. If you made any attempt to understand producerism, rather than trying to appear clever, you would have seen that tech production is vital to the military capabilities of an alliance. There must be enough cash going downward to promote the militarization of new nations, and tech must flow into friendly hands to promote our EMP nuclear deterrence. This relationship between unified producers and EMP nukers has allowed us to become (typically) the tenth most active alliance while maintaining our independence from the central treaty web. While other people cry and moan about the stagnating treaty web, ISX has actually done something to break the mould. This has promoted the Liberty of our alliance as a whole which is reflected by high activity and decent aid slot usage. Others can ramble on about idealism, ISX represents idealism in action. And this has drawn then envy and hatred of many who would rather tear us down rather than put in the effort to replicate our experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alonso Quixano Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Immortan Junka said: You are one person in a choir of people disgruntled because actions the Imperium has taken to defend ourselves in a hostile, barbaric world. If you made any attempt to understand producerism, rather than trying to appear clever, you would have seen that tech production is vital to the military capabilities of an alliance. There must be enough cash going downward to promote the militarization of new nations, and tech must flow into friendly hands to promote our EMP nuclear deterrence. This relationship between unified producers and EMP nukers has allowed us to become (typically) the tenth most active alliance while maintaining our independence from the central treaty web. While other people cry and moan about the stagnating treaty web, ISX has actually done something to break the mould. This has promoted the Liberty of our alliance as a whole which is reflected by high activity and decent aid slot usage. Others can ramble on about idealism, ISX represents idealism in action. And this has drawn then envy and hatred of many who would rather tear us down rather than put in the effort to replicate our experiment. Wrong. I have tried to understand, and you have gotten your tech dealing some what correct. I applaud your effort to protect new nations from harsh tech deals. We allow any nation to do any tech deal they want, we also supplement our new nations with free cash towards military wonders. So. I do understand your unique perspective on tech dealing. I just don't think you are libertarian, and continue to show that you are not Libertarian. You didn't break the mold, you continued the mold with treating your enemies. This created more stagnation, but ensured the Imperiums protection. So. No. You did not break the old, you are continuing the mold. So. Where in that response did you address the ironic part of my position as regards to being a socialist alliance. It seems you reversed back to propaganda, to try to continue to defect from the original content of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said: Wrong. I have tried to understand, and you have gotten your tech dealing some what correct. I applaud your effort to protect new nations from harsh tech deals. We allow any nation to do any tech deal they want, we also supplement our new nations with free cash towards military wonders. So. I do understand your unique perspective on tech dealing. I just don't think you are libertarian, and continue to show that you are not Libertarian. You didn't break the mold, you continued the mold with treating your enemies. This created more stagnation, but ensured the Imperiums protection. So. No. You did not break the old, you are continuing the mold. So. Where in that response did you address the ironic part of my position as regards to being a socialist alliance. It seems you reversed back to propaganda, to try to continue to defect from the original content of this thread. Producerism is the application of [ooc]socialist theory[/ooc] within the context of the material conditions of Planet Bob (and more specifically the Imperium). Signing treaties is not stagnation, it provides us the stability to grow and deter more serious threats, instead of dealing with constant petty conflicts. Edited January 14, 2017 by Immortan Junka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alonso Quixano Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said: Producerism is the application of [ooc]socialist theory[/ooc] within the context of the material conditions of Planet Bob. Signing treaties is not stagnation, it provides us the stability to grow and deter more serious threats, instead of dealing with constant petty conflicts. It is not. It's a bastardization of socialist theory applied by Imperialists to trick others into thinking they are not a Imperialistic alliance. Producerism in it's rarest form is a rightist ideology that puts production from nationalist workers above any other production. It also makes the worker submit to the predetermined price of said product, never allowing them to have their own autonomy, Signing treaties is not stagnation. I never said it was, I just said you did not break the mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said: It is not. It's a bastardization of socialist theory applied by Imperialists to trick others into thinking they are not a Imperialistic alliance. Producerism in it's rarest form is a rightist ideology that puts production from nationalist workers above any other production. It also makes the worker submit to the predetermined price of said product, never allowing them to have their own autonomy, Signing treaties is not stagnation. I never said it was, I just said you did not break the mold. Imperialism is coersion; the only coersion we have applied is in the case of a winning war against troublemakers like Monsters who attacked us and other alliances. There is no left or right on planet bob, as Vladimir said classes do not exist under the material conditions present in this world. [ooc]Vladimir was a member of the Socialist Workers Party in RL so he probably knows what he is talking about[/ooc]. We can debate all day whether producerism is right, left, or upside down; the real analysis is whether it is effective or not. Try not to get trapped by political meanings that are irrelevant in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, Lord Hitchcock said: The next time there is a war between SNX and M Inc, your scalp will serve as my drink coaster. attack me now coward lmao ur all talk "the next time" lmao, how about right now??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alonso Quixano Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Immortan Junka said: Imperialism is coersion; the only coersion we have applied is in the case of a winning war against troublemakers like Monsters who attacked us and other alliances. There is no left or right on planet bob, as Vladimir said classes do not exist under the material conditions present in this world. [ooc]Vladimir was a member of the Socialist Workers Party in RL so he probably knows what he is talking about[/ooc]. We can debate all day whether producerism is right, left, or upside down; the real analysis is whether it is effective or not. Try not to get trapped by political meanings that are irrelevant in this world. No one has talked about a war you won. You keep bringing up this as a point of contention. this thread is about the LPC, and you are apart of the LPC. please keep on topic. There is a left, and right on planet bob, just because you refuse to accept that does not make it true. It's all in how you want to run your alliance, which makes the left or the right as political cannon on this world. There is a class, or you would not need producerism for your alliance, the classes are split among nation strength levels, which you acknowledged by saying that new nations need the downward cash flow from larger nations. That right there is your class structure. I am not getting trapped by political meanings that are irrelevant in this world, because they are relevant. Just because you don't want to actually engage, and dispute what I said about producersim, please do not demean what I've said, and dismiss it because you don't think it applies to this world. I will concede that since you did not bring up any facts to dispute what i've said about you being non-libertarian, I have no more work here to do. All you've done is try to spout propaganda when someone confronts you, and try to dismiss someone critique of your alliance not being Libertarian with deflecting remarks about how there isn't a left or right in this world. If you wish to actually debate the topic, please do, and stop trying to deflect from real conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Montezuma said: attack me now coward lmao ur all talk "the next time" lmao, how about right now??!! If his words have offended you, why don't you draw first blood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 56 minutes ago, Lord Hitchcock said: The next time there is a war between SNX and M Inc, your scalp will serve as my drink coaster. u think this chicky will attack snx he wont even fight me 1 on 1 lmao even after all I did to make mc nugget comfortable he could never fight a real fighter like me 1 on 1 always runs to people lmao or just talks here and lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Lysergide said: If his words have offended you, why don't you draw first blood? cause I put myself in anarchy so he could get a clean first hit he is a cry baby and if I attack out of the blue his keyboard will be soaked and he wont be able to play and will say it was a cheap shot or some other lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I did everything possible to make sure he couldn't cry about the war or say its unfair I even bought up 3k ns for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Montezuma said: I did everything possible to make sure he couldn't cry about the war or say its unfair I even bought up 3k ns for him All you are doing right now is bragging and taunting. Put your money where your mouth is, I expect to see you at war with him as soon as you get out of Anarchy. Taunting someone to attack shows you are weak. If you are strong, attack him when you can. If you don't, you will just prove you are a coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Lysergide said: All you are doing right now is bragging and taunting. Put your money where your mouth is, I expect to see you at war with him as soon as you get out of Anarchy. Taunting someone to attack shows you are weak. If you are strong, attack him when you can. If you don't, you will just prove you are a coward. U didn't read what I said. I put myself in anarchy to make it easier for mr nugget. I depleted my defense I did everything possible to ensure he cant cry about the war if I hit him he would cry and call it alliance war and I want 1 on 1 check out my nation page at the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lysergide said: All you are doing right now is bragging and taunting. Put your money where your mouth is, I expect to see you at war with him as soon as you get out of Anarchy. Taunting someone to attack shows you are weak. If you are strong, attack him when you can. If you don't, you will just prove you are a coward. Montezuma is following the rules of his alliance, I see nothing wrong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lysergide said: All you are doing right now is bragging and taunting. Put your money where your mouth is, I expect to see you at war with him as soon as you get out of Anarchy. Taunting someone to attack shows you are weak. If you are strong, attack him when you can. If you don't, you will just prove you are a coward. check my war counts and u will see I am no coward Hitchcock is the coward u uses lies and more but I have something for his lies if he could only be a man and fight but he cant he is a chicken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Montezuma said: U didn't read what I said. I put myself in anarchy to make it easier for mr nugget. I depleted my defense I did everything possible to ensure he cant cry about the war if I hit him he would cry and call it alliance war and I want 1 on 1 check out my nation page at the top 2 minutes ago, Montezuma said: check my war counts and u will see I am no coward Hitchcock is the coward u uses lies and more but I have something for his lies if he could only be a man and fight but he cant he is a chicken Then by your own standards Montezuma, I present the challenge to you. Attack me if you aren't a coward. I will wait for you to get out of Anarchy. Put your money where your mouth is. I will be waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 why don't u just attack me now???? 1 on 1 or you and Hitchcock vs me? lets not wait 3 days lets start now. just attack me. no alliance no outside just us. attack right now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 why do u want to wait for me to get out of anarchy I want to fight now why wait? why???????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Montezuma said: why don't u just attack me now???? 1 on 1 or you and Hitchcock vs me? lets not wait 3 days lets start now. just attack me. no alliance no outside just us. attack right now!!! Hey coward, sit the $%&@ down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 ur not violating anything u have full permission nobody jumps in just attack I want u and mc nugget at the same time u seem to love him so much lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montezuma Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Lord Hitchcock said: Hey coward, sit the $%&@ down. attack chicken who u calling a coward u wont even fight after being called out and me doing everything to make it easy for u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Layton Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Where do I sign on board with becoming a Libertarian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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