AL Bundy Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 The Alpha Wolves declare war on Defcon 1! Looks like we all need some fun! Lets keep it clean! Al Bundy! Quote
StevieG Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 nice war. good luck out there and rip eachother up for 5 days! go easy on the grl. Quote
AL Bundy Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Posted July 22, 2016 All Alliances Display Serving 1 to 20 of 20 Alliances Page: 1 Alliance Total Active Strength Avg Score Anarchy Infras Tech Nukes 1) DEFCON 1 22 22 633,340 28,788 51.92 0 102,520 11,327 118 2) DevilDogs 21 16 391,915 18,663 42.48 18 61,486 9,101 47 3) Alpha Wolves 18 17 496,347 27,575 41.75 0 76,169 10,000 145 4) New League of Nations 19 13 290,519 15,290 36.41 1 47,002 9,444 59 Sorry some stats! Quote
HiredGun Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 Nice stats, have fun out there! o/ Rangers o/ Wolves Quote
Cazaric Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 Look at that solid updeclare. I do love me some Alpha Wolves! Kick ass. o/ Wolves Quote
AL Bundy Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Posted July 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Horatio Longworth said: Decent blitz. Good luck. ehh....it was alright.....could have been better! Good luck and have fun to all! Al Bundy Quote
rexius Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 Good luck to both parties! Have fun! o/ Defcon1 o/ AW Quote
HiredGun Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 I assume most vets should know by now that total ns and member count isn't a clear indicator of the stronger side so overall I'd say the war is fairly even with D1 having the slight advantage in the ns/infra tiers while AW have a slight tech/nuke advantage. Our old friends definitely came well prepared so it should be quite the war. Quote
malakarlian Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 May the casualties increase, and the blood of worthy opponents strengthen us! Quote
StevieG Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 2 hours ago, HiredGun said: I assume most vets should know by now that total ns and member count isn't a clear indicator of the stronger side so overall I'd say the war is fairly even with D1 having the slight advantage in the ns/infra tiers while AW have a slight tech/nuke advantage. Our old friends definitely came well prepared so it should be quite the war. D1 slight infra advantage? look again please. AW having slight tech advantage? again have another look please. nations over 30kns currently slight advantage to D1 again. the only advantage AW do have is in nukes. and most should know that if neither side will run out during a 5 day war then it is hardly an advantage at all. that being said. this war is aimed at being a fair even war. but currently it most definitely is an up declare. happy hunting Quote
HiredGun Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 Just now, StevieG said: D1 slight infra advantage? look again please. AW having slight tech advantage? again have another look please. nations over 30kns currently slight advantage to D1 again. the only advantage AW do have is in nukes. and most should know that if neither side will run out during a 5 day war then it is hardly an advantage at all. that being said. this war is aimed at being a fair even war. but currently it most definitely is an up declare. happy hunting Avg Infra D1 - 4660 AW - 4231 Avg Tech D1 - 514 AW- 555 Avg NS D1- 28,788 AW - 27,575 Its either a fair war or an up declare, it cannot be both. Quote
AL Bundy Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Posted July 22, 2016 Updeclare.... The Bundy Wolf is on the hunt! Quote
AL Bundy Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Posted July 22, 2016 4 hours ago, HiredGun said: I assume most vets should know by now that total ns and member count isn't a clear indicator of the stronger side so overall I'd say the war is fairly even with D1 having the slight advantage in the ns/infra tiers while AW have a slight tech/nuke advantage. Our old friends definitely came well prepared so it should be quite the war. D1 has more tech now....if you attack sleepers they build up....That is why this "fair war" crap is always bogus! We attacked D1, knowing they are stronger, our advantage was the update attack and we do have more nukes...... It will be fun, no need to debate if its fair, no wars are. Al Bundy Quote
StevieG Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 56 minutes ago, HiredGun said: Avg Infra D1 - 4660 AW - 4231 Avg Tech D1 - 514 AW- 555 Avg NS D1- 28,788 AW - 27,575 Its either a fair war or an up declare, it cannot be both. total infra 75k to 100k why can't an up declare be fair? Quote
HiredGun Posted July 22, 2016 Report Posted July 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, AL Bundy said: D1 has more tech now....if you attack sleepers they build up....That is why this "fair war" crap is always bogus! We attacked D1, knowing they are stronger, our advantage was the update attack and we do have more nukes...... It will be fun, no need to debate if its fair, no wars are. Al Bundy I don't want to get into a pissing contest so I'll settle with it being a fairly even war in our favor. I'm not one to bother with these silly debates but I felt the need to address this misconception that the side with the highest totals doesn't always translate to being the stronger alliance if the avg totals are taken into consideration or better yet if the ns/infra tiers are broken down into ranges. These were stats that use to be a regular feature in declarations because of their importance and many vets still consider them important even if they're not posted, it doesn't mean they're not being noticed. Quote
AL Bundy Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Posted July 23, 2016 4 hours ago, HiredGun said: I don't want to get into a pissing contest so I'll settle with it being a fairly even war in our favor. I'm not one to bother with these silly debates but I felt the need to address this misconception that the side with the highest totals doesn't always translate to being the stronger alliance if the avg totals are taken into consideration or better yet if the ns/infra tiers are broken down into ranges. These were stats that use to be a regular feature in declarations because of their importance and many vets still consider them important even if they're not posted, it doesn't mean they're not being noticed. O I do agree! But nations like to sandbag...meaning hang out at 20k strength but then when the alliance is attacked use their 200 million war chest and boost up....I believe stats are crap, it should be based on total members and maybe a couple other pieces of information.... As you can see the stats shifted a lot once D1 knew they were attacked. Alliance Total Active Strength Avg Score Anarchy Infras Tech Nukes 1) DEFCON 1 22 22 638,600 29,027 52.36 3 99,528 12,074 119 2) DevilDogs 22 19 376,179 17,099 43.61 18 57,512 8,793 48 3) Alpha Wolves 18 17 496,787 27,599 41.98 0 75,260 10,381 143 Quote
HiredGun Posted July 23, 2016 Report Posted July 23, 2016 This growth is mostly from us moving into full militarization mode but this involves minimal spending. There shouldn't be anyone dropping large amounts of their war chest to win wars with brute force alone, we'd prefer to keep the war as challenging and as fair as we can just as you's have. We treat people/allainces the same way they treat us, its as simple as that. Quote
AL Bundy Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Posted July 23, 2016 Alliance Total Active Strength Avg Score Anarchy Infras Tech Nukes 1) DEFCON 1 22 22 638,600 29,027 52.36 3 99,528 12,074 119 2) Alpha Wolves 19 18 537,974 28,314 44.77 0 81,027 10,929 151 Quote
StevieG Posted July 23, 2016 Report Posted July 23, 2016 8 hours ago, HiredGun said: I don't want to get into a pissing contest so I'll settle with it being a fairly even war in our favor. I'm not one to bother with these silly debates but I felt the need to address this misconception that the side with the highest totals doesn't always translate to being the stronger alliance if the avg totals are taken into consideration or better yet if the ns/infra tiers are broken down into ranges. These were stats that use to be a regular feature in declarations because of their importance and many vets still consider them important even if they're not posted, it doesn't mean they're not being noticed. I agree with you. it's not all about total ns. Ave ns. tier differences, and nukes plus wonders is what really counts. alpha wolves alone hitting you is an up declare. which is why I said that "currently it was an updeclare". with some of A Team moving over to alpha wolves for this war it fully evens it up. and that was the only reason for this. plus it's been hard to find a war. your leadership has been made aware of this before the fact. I appreciate those who can debate points without flaming and baiting. good show and good luck. Quote
malakarlian Posted July 23, 2016 Report Posted July 23, 2016 To: malakarlian From: HiredGun Date: 7/23/2016 2:02:30 PM Subject: IRS attack Message: We don't know who this is from but bringing it to your guys attention anyway. It could be an outsider trying to provoke as the attack wasn't accompanied by any other attacks. To: bunnet From: Unknown Sender Date: 7/23/2016 10:44:23 AM Subject: Spy Operation Attack Message: A spy operation has been launched against your nation. In the attack the enemy spies targeted your Internal Revenue Services (IRS) and managed to change your national tax rate to a level of 26%. Your attacker was able to return home unharmed and unidentified. cc. D1 gov AW gov so much for keeping it clean Quote
malakarlian Posted July 23, 2016 Report Posted July 23, 2016 We will not tolerate this....we will send a stronger message to our alliance with a threat of booting. Thank you for bringing it to our attention Quote
HiredGun Posted July 23, 2016 Report Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) We think we found the culprit http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000322 No affiliation and buying nukes early and has a name very similar to someone who rouged us after our last war. Edit: All the nations hes trading with were made recently, their sole purpose is to provide optimal resources for New Republic to speed up nation growth and military effectiveness. Definitely preparing to rogue someone and by the timing of the nuke purchases, I'd say hes timing it for when we peace out which was destined to fail again even if we hadn't detected it early. Next time don't delete your nation and the following day start a new one with a similar name, swazz. You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of New Republic. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation: Desired Religion: None Desired Government: Monarchy Threat Level: Severe Tax Rate: 28% Number of Spies: 550 Last Nuke Purchase: None Last Wonder Purchase: 7/18/2016 Total Money: $50,141,447 Technology: 495.49 Levels Last Bill Payment: 7/22/2016 12:03:42 AM Trade Partners: My Country, Ivory Coast, Vladoo Place, Amarta, Golden Diamond Military XP Ratings: Army XP: 5, Navy XP: 0, Air Force XP: 2, Intelligence XP: 0 Assigned Generals: Air Force XP Level 54, Intelligence XP Level 14 Total Aircraft: 75 Aircraft Fighter Strength: 666 Aircraft Bomber Strength: 9 Navy Purchases Today: 8 Navy Vessels: Corvettes: 0 Landing Ships: 0 Battleships: 0 Cruisers: 4 Frigates: 8 Destroyers: 7 Submarines: 7 Aircraft Carriers: 6 Your spies returned home unharmed and unidentified. 23 hours ago, StevieG said: I agree with you. it's not all about total ns. Ave ns. tier differences, and nukes plus wonders is what really counts. alpha wolves alone hitting you is an up declare. which is why I said that "currently it was an updeclare". with some of A Team moving over to alpha wolves for this war it fully evens it up. and that was the only reason for this. plus it's been hard to find a war. your leadership has been made aware of this before the fact. I appreciate those who can debate points without flaming and baiting. good show and good luck. I had no problems with your members joining the fight but it should have been before the dow. They joined the fight after we made our counters and most D1 members have hit anarchy and i heard their reasons, they were running late. My question to you and AW gov, why wasn't the dow delayed until they joined? Edited July 24, 2016 by HiredGun Quote
HiredGun Posted July 24, 2016 Report Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Its why I'm a proponent of these ops being handled on an individual basis with diplomacy between both govs before any blanket retaliations, if they're caught we can neutralize these ops to the culprit responsible without it affecting everyone else who are abiding by the agreements. But I think its too severe of a punishment to kick long time members over it without looking at all the facts and why they ran a dirty op. In the case of these ops going undetected, we have to expect we may get outsiders who'll hit anyone with low spy odds in the hopes they can initiate a full scale dirty op war is another reason why diplomacy is important. We wont make these agreements with those we don't trust, we'll use the old school rules and only retaliate against those caught using them against innocent nations. Edit: I'll add that if a gov member retaliates against any innocent nations then all diplomacy and rules are off the table. Edited July 24, 2016 by HiredGun Quote
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