Smells Like Freedom, A Non Grata Announcement

[Stewie]

When the NGgers are tasked with upholding community standards, you realize how terrible the powers that be have made this sad sad planet

Cuddle

[Dr Strange]

I mean, it's not like I pulled the concept of the casus belli out of my own rear end. Such practices were more commonplace when men were civilized.

You're looking for civilized beings on the internet?

[Sephiroth]

Which version of events are you claiming as a CB in public? Sorry, you keep telling different people different things so it's hard to keep track.

I see at least 2 clear public CBs, spying on SDS & war with CA. That you guys gave them a bunch of others reasons to dislike you doesn't matter when you hand out CBs like candy. Edited April 15, 2016 by Sephiroth

[The Zigur]

Let's not forget that NG has itself supported rogues in the past, like when Tidybowlman hit me in 2014, he remained fully masked on the NG forums. So the idea that NG is invested in "community standards" or actually cares about stopping rogues is a load of bull.

[The Zigur]

I see at least 2 clear public CBs, spying on SDS & war with CA. That you guys gave them a bunch of others reasons to dislike you doesn't matter when you hand out CBs like candy.

Don't say "you guys" when I already said I didn't support you getting hit by Jack.

However those CBs still don't really add up to me:

*Apparently SDS sent war aid to those fighting Kashmir. This is something Oculus itself says is an act of war, so that would be a hypocritical CB.
*CA attacked Kashmir, Kashmir fighting back is not a legit defensive treaty trigger.

Now an oA activation makes sense, and there's nothing wrong with oAs: I used them during Disorder. But then again activating an oA against an ally of an ally is questionable at best. Edited April 15, 2016 by Immortan Junka

[Morgan Freeman]

I might be late but oh well, $%&@ Yeah!

[Sephiroth]

Don't say "you guys" when I already said I didn't support you getting hit by Jack.

However those CBs still don't really add up to me:

*Apparently SDS sent war aid to those fighting Kashmir. This is something Oculus itself says is an act of war, so that would be a hypocritical CB.
*CA attacked Kashmir, Kashmir fighting back is not a legit defensive treaty trigger.

Now an oA activation makes sense, and there's nothing wrong with oAs: I used them during Disorder. But then again activating an oA against an ally of an ally is questionable at best.

You guys was referring to Kashmir, I don't think you're among those being declared on here. Edited April 15, 2016 by Sephiroth

[Sigrun Vapneir]

*CA attacked Kashmir, Kashmir fighting back is not a legit defensive treaty trigger.

 

 

Reminder that CA is still defending LN from Kashmir.

 

That said I don't really care about the semantics and I don't think NG do either.

 

CAs military treaties, as we have stated clearly many times, are not conventional 'OD' or 'OA' type treaties. They have a different sort of logic and while an 'ODOAP' is the closest equivalent, it's a very rough one.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Sigrun Vapneir

[Judge X]

Tl;Dr

Go Poison Clan go!


(Disclaimer: I saw this earlier and had actually intended on reading it, but then my side chick got mad that I had my phone in hand reading and reminded me why she is my side chick. Man I don't miss this place! 😉 )

[The Zigur]

Reminder that CA is still defending LN from Kashmir.

Assuming CA is sovereign and independent (you have stated thus iirc), any declaration of war is still an aggressive action, even when defending an ally. So it would still be an oA by NG in support of Methrage.

The point is not whether NG cares to explain itself (they obviously don't), the point is whether NG has acted in an action contrary to an ally's interests. Edited April 15, 2016 by Immortan Junka

[Mogar]

I mean, if it bothers you, you could always do something about it.

[Sephiroth]

Reminder that CA is still defending LN from Kashmir.
 
That said I don't really care about the semantics and I don't think NG do either.
 
CAs military treaties, as we have stated clearly many times, are not conventional 'OD' or 'OA' type treaties. They have a different sort of logic and while an 'ODOAP' is the closest equivalent, it's a very rough one.

I stopped reading after he said "Don't say you guys", but that is very true. Military support among LPC alliances should always be assumed, Junka even pre-empted Limitless Nexus in our war since I think he knows this.
 

Although our treaty also allows for tactics, such as you helping out with aid instead during the SNX War & taking some time to rebuild from the last time Kashmir attacked.

[the rebel]

I mean, if it bothers you, you could always do something about it.

Unfortunately people like the sound of their own voice more than actually putting their combat boots on.

[The Zigur]

Not that casualties mean anything, but I have about 1.5 mill lower tier casualties not to mention my prior nations so don't accuse me of shying from wars.

Obviously barbarians will cheapen political discourse with throwaway slogans, but some of us aspire to more. And I have no problem pointing out logical fallacies when they are employed against people I do business with.

[the rebel]

It's going to take 50-60 wars to bring down Bones, Bean, and Tim to their level. 

I think you are overestimating the length as BONES has already lost a few hundred thousand strength. He even had a nation or two redeclare a second round.

[Samus]

 

I have that problem...

 

*TOP 5% problems*

For real

 

*TOP 0.90% Problems*

[ChairmanHal]

The 800 pound gorilla in the room here is that Oculus is slowly but surely cutting away the outer fringes of the Doomsphere while the Doomsphere watches.

[Caustic]

HI HAL, don't worry we haven't forgotten the special place you hold in the hearts of every NGer still playing the game  :smug:

[ChairmanHal]

7 hours ago, Caustic said:

HI HAL, don't worry we haven't forgotten the special place you hold in the hearts of every NGer still playing the game 

If that's a threat, I'll simply remind you of the conversation we had some time ago where there was a hatchet buried.  If NGers wanted revenge, the alliance you wanted is more or less dead, though there's still a few people left on the AA if you hurry. 

[Mogar]

8 hours ago, ChairmanHal said:

The 800 pound gorilla in the room here is that Oculus is slowly but surely cutting away the outer fringes of the Doomsphere while the Doomsphere watches.

The reality is that quite literally there's nothing Doom can do about it beyond suicide into Oculus, unless there's a rabbit in their happen the outcome's already decided whether it happens tomorrow or 6 months from now.

[Vol Navy]

9 hours ago, the rebel said:

It's going to take 50-60 wars to bring down Bones, Bean, and Tim to their level. 

I think you are overestimating the length as BONES has already lost a few hundred thousand strength. He even had a nation or two redeclare a second round.

 

They've already had 23 wars and Tim and Bones are still in the top 8 nations, Bean is around 20. It's going to take a lot more war to bring them down. If the Doombirds actually fight, Oculus will not have enough nations to get them out of the top 10 for months and months, if ever.

[Auctor]

Anyone else you want to speak for while you're at it? What happens if GPA enters? I feel like we need more analyses like this.

[Sephiroth]

22 minutes ago, Vol Navy said:

 

They've already had 23 wars and Tim and Bones are still in the top 8 nations, Bean is around 20. It's going to take a lot more war to bring them down. If the Doombirds actually fight, Oculus will not have enough nations to get them out of the top 10 for months and months, if ever.

Months and months really isn't that long, its nowhere close to undoable if you're measuring how long it would take in months. Years and years would sound a little more tedious, although maybe its just how long we've been at war months and months doesn't sound very long to me.

[Alexio15]

1 hour ago, Sephiroth said:

Months and months really isn't that long, its nowhere close to undoable if you're measuring how long it would take in months. Years and years would sound a little more tedious, although maybe its just how long we've been at war months and months doesn't sound very long to me.

It's not that of we are purely basing it on a analytical sense 1v1 as they are doing and changing on last day to maximise nukes is working efficiently enough. It's the only real way to do it. Just takes its time you have to burn that land away before all attacks can be utilised effectively.

[Blackatron]

I'm not the biggest fan of NG(not to say I like COBRA or Kashmir), but I must admit that the DoW here is pretty amazing.