Slayer99 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 As I've said elsewhere.... It was NPOs prerogative to drop our treaty and they did so. Which is rather amusing in light of the fact they had no issue treatying alliances we weren't friendly to. But once the lap dog treaties someone they don't like, look out. Where I think TPF takes issue is that after years of blind loyalty...and mere months of cancellation of a treaty...of all the alliances to attack us in this war, Pacifica attacked us? Pacifica can spin it however they'd like...but the bottom line is if it could happen to their once most loyal ally, who is next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) You keep saying that, but I don't think you have proof; hell, if hartfw gave you the full logs of our conversation, you wouldn't have any proof. How are you defining "active NS"?Politically active alliances. And @Charles - Rey has the PoW AA because he probably thought at some point it would be fun to have that owner power. I doubt he is doing it for (at the request of) oculus. Edited October 15, 2015 by Unknown Smurf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartfw Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 @Charles - Rey has the PoW AA because he probably thought at some point it would be fun to have that owner power. I doubt he is doing it for (at the request of) oculus. This is wrong. Oculus reached out to Rey, and he very nicely agreed to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellBade Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) This is wrong. Oculus reached out to Rey, and he very nicely agreed to help. And Los Pollos Hermanos thanks you for offering such a solution to the Rey problem. It has allowed us to flush out the waste from our systems. Edited October 15, 2015 by MitchellBade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Lol classic Rey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 It literally took 30 seconds to convince me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 The hashtags have to stop. You mean the pound signs? Obligatory hailing of TPF for fighting for your allies. I've been in your shoes before (I was once in SF), so you have my empathy. Use this burning to fuel your anger. Start an underground resistance. Or something. I don't really know where I was going with that. Oh look, I see MI6 over there carrying their bag of .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perez Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Well I think the point is this time last year TPF also had a treaty with NPO. So the point they are trying to make is that if ODN/GATO sign treaty NPO doesn't like post war, who is to say this doesn't happen to them. That's their point anyway, I know for a fact that there was more to the TPF cancellation than Mi6, signing Mi6 was the catalyst of the cancellation, but it was either that or some other thing since relations had soured to the point where a cancellation was essentially imminent. I still don't agree with preempting TPF, but saying all of NPO's non-occulus allies are in the crosshairs is baseless propaganda. For every cancellation there is a reason. I see no reason on why NPO would cancel them. Which means, no future war against each other. That's the point I'm trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Poutine Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Edit: nevermind Edited October 15, 2015 by Vladimir Poutine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 For every cancellation there is a reason. I see no reason on why NPO would cancel them. Which means, no future war against each other. That's the point I'm trying to make. Read this, and then go back a year ago and replace ODN/GATO with TPF and realize it's the same exact scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perez Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Read this, and then go back a year ago and replace ODN/GATO with TPF and realize it's the same exact scenario. Until TPF changed the scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road2Victory1 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Where's Chafire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Tyrant Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Politically active alliances. And @Charles - Rey has the PoW AA because he probably thought at some point it would be fun to have that owner power. I doubt he is doing it for (at the request of) oculus. You were saying? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Until TPF changed the scenario. Except it was NPO that fundamentally changed the scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) WOOHOO! I HAVE A WAR! Thank you Ditchboy! I will not be cold this winter! Let it glow! I fixed the problem for him. I just hope he will shut up for once. (Not likely) Nah, yer awesome man. You have purchased my silence with casualties. As for the rest of the garbage posted after,having a war has also purchased me ignoring the post commentary.BTW, since I'm not getting to nuke you back, this one won't be one of my typical prettier performances, but I really.. really don't care :PThat's it, I'm done here.. you have your reward. See you on the battlefield! Edited October 16, 2015 by Maelstrom Vortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 WOOHOO! I HAVE A WAR! Thank you Ditchboy! I will not be cold this winter! Let it glow! Nah, yer awesome man. You have purchased my silence with casualties. As for the rest of the garbage posted after,having a war has also purchased me ignoring the post commentary.BTW, since I'm not getting to nuke you back, this one won't be one of my typical prettier performances, but I really.. really don't care :PThat's it, I'm done here.. you have your reward. See you on the battlefield! You have a whopping 4 million casuslties... There are 2 members in m inc that have you beat by 10 million casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You have a whopping 4 million casuslties...There are 2 members in m inc that have you beat by 10 million casualties. Replying in PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Replying in PM. But being certain to be a public spectacle about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Read this, and then go back a year ago and replace ODN/GATO with TPF and realize it's the same exact scenario. If you look at the TPF-NPO relationship in 2014, it was extremely rocky. On the one hand you had NPO choosing an FA direction that led to Umbrella and who was also allied to NG, on the other you had TPF engaging in a flame war with NSO so intense it almost caused the collapse of the defending coalition during the disorder war and almost caused a war between two of our allies afterwards. If TPF and NPO didn't have their level of history, this treaty probably wouldn't have existed a year back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegarth Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 If you people believe two alliances that were allied for years end up on separate sides of the deal by the actions of solely one of them, you people are trying to stretch reality to much to accommodate a dumb incomplete argument just for the sake of doing it. Is quite childish and even a little sad, but if that's all there is to it, I guess you people are free to do so... Now well, I do must say that I was saddened when the treaty was canceled and I'm also saddened to see TPF and NPO now in a war... The fact that someone is a war target does not means it is my enemy... Good luck, TPF. Godspeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) I'll even go as far as to say this is mainly a Curb Stomp because those getting hit are giving up pre-emptively. Telling allies they don't need to come in, then they hope if they curl up in a ball and take a beating for a while it will end. However if TIO came in for M16, then that would give GATO incentive to get involved. ODN does for STA already. CnG can't stand up and fight anymore? Best to set the world ablaze for these global wars & try to expand. Give people a good show at least and prove yourselves to be an interesting alliance of principles. Oculus gave the other side a big favor with this second decree, rather than us waiting a very long time to see if anyone allied with M16 decide to defend them. Edited October 16, 2015 by Methrage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'll even go as far as to say this is mainly a Curb Stomp because those getting hit are giving up pre-emptively. Telling allies they don't need to come in, then they hope if they curl up in a ball and take a beating for a while it will end. However if TIO came in for M16, then that would give GATO incentive to get involved. ODN does for STA already. CnG can't stand up and fight anymore? Best to set the world ablaze for these global wars & try to expand. Give people a good show at least and prove yourselves to be an interesting alliance of principles. Oculus gave the other side a big favor with this second decree, rather than us waiting a very long time to see if anyone allied with M16 decide to defend them. Heard it here first folks LPCRAZYGANG are going to declare on the ebil Oculus in defence of I don't even know at this point but yeah. O/ limitlessdumbness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Heard it here first folks LPCRAZYGANG are going to declare on the ebil Oculus in defence of I don't even know at this point but yeah. O/ limitlessdumbness lol, political expediency. I don't think I've seen CnG activate any treaties with the perceived losing side in a war while Atlas has been in it. So its not surprising that culture is largely dead within CnG. Sometimes its worth fighting on the losing side and sometimes they are among the most fun ones. Edited October 16, 2015 by Methrage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'll even go as far as to say this is mainly a Curb Stomp because those getting hit are giving up pre-emptively. Telling allies they don't need to come in, then they hope if they curl up in a ball and take a beating for a while it will end. However if TIO came in for M16, then that would give GATO incentive to get involved. ODN does for STA already. CnG can't stand up and fight anymore? Best to set the world ablaze for these global wars & try to expand. Give people a good show at least and prove yourselves to be an interesting alliance of principles. Oculus gave the other side a big favor with this second decree, rather than us waiting a very long time to see if anyone allied with M16 decide to defend them. If you think MI6 is giving up, then you are truly more delusional than I ever thought was possible. MI6 does not curl up in some ball and take a beating... If that was true, our damage ratio would be far worse than what it is. Given enough time, we may very well see MI6 with a positive damage ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes the wise Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'll even go as far as to say this is mainly a Curb Stomp because those getting hit are giving up pre-emptively. Telling allies they don't need to come in, then they hope if they curl up in a ball and take a beating for a while it will end. However if TIO came in for M16, then that would give GATO incentive to get involved. ODN does for STA already. CnG can't stand up and fight anymore? Best to set the world ablaze for these global wars & try to expand. Give people a good show at least and prove yourselves to be an interesting alliance of principles. Oculus gave the other side a big favor with this second decree, rather than us waiting a very long time to see if anyone allied with M16 decide to defend them.This is what I've been trying to say. Each alliance has tough choices. Don't make the tough choices for them, MI6, TPF, and STA. Don't tell your allies in advance that you won't call them in. You didn't get them into this mess of conflicting treaties, their buddies in Oculus did when they jumped into a CB-Less purely aggressive war. The defense clauses SHOULD be firing off like a machine gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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