Unknown Smurf Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Kaskus has ratified the moldavi doctrine (minus article 4 and 6). Whereas, it is the opinion of the New Sith Order Kaskus that all alliances possess naturally the right to act justly in the interests of themselves, their friends, and their allies and as such, optional defense and aggression treaties imply through their very existence that this right is guaranteed not by nature but by the treaties themselves, but recognizing that not all peoples in the Cyberverse yet realize the superfluity of optional defense and aggression treaties, we adopt this doctrine as our sovereign right. Article I The New Sith Order Kaskus shall retain the option, though not the obligation, to declare war in the defense of any alliance that finds itself the victim of foreign aggression. Reciprocally, the New Sith Order Kaskus acknowledges that all alliances retain the same option to defend it. Article II The New Sith Order Kaskus shall retain the option, though not the obligation, to declare war in the support of any alliance that has initiated warfare against another. Reciprocally, the New Sith Order Kaskus acknowledges that all alliances retain the same option to war in support of it. Article III The New Sith Order Kaskus shall retain the option, though not the obligation, to share intelligence critical to the security of another alliance with it. Reciprocally, the New Sith Order Kaskus acknowledges that all alliances retain the same option to share intelligence with it. Article IV This doctrine shall be considered null and void once it is recognized by the rest of the Cyberverse that those rights which it guarantees are, in fact, guaranteed not by it but rather are intrinsic to all alliances. Article V The New Sith Order Kaskus recognizes the need for such acts to be just and therefore will only invoke the Doctrine if the determined point of interjection has been attacked unjustly or the likewise determined point of support has established a just casus belli. Article VI The New Sith Order will consult with either the determined point of interjection or point of support prior to any official declarations being made. Signed, /s/ Kaskus President - Black Orchid Vice President - Lord Bitburg Lord of War - Death From Above 82 Minister of Economics - Baby Fark McGeezax Minister of Foreign Affairs - Collegekid13 of Spandonia Edited March 25, 2015 by Unknown Smurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Solomon I Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 What if another alliance doesn't want the help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderonomy Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I ratify the Moldavi doctrine on Smurf's avatar at Non Grata. <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blurrenza Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 after reading this for almost 20 times, and a few highlights on IRC, I still couldn't understand what is this thing. I'm just not bright now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMeTheHorizon Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Doesn't any alliance, by default, have this document? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 So, retroactively justifying the whole "get involved in literally every conflict we can" thing eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 We are gratified to see you adopting our doctrine, even if you do fail to credit it properly. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroman Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Kaskus has made two major altercations, my favorite of which is that they'll keep upholding this doctrine even once it's become completely meaningless, like some sort of meaningless doctrine hoarder. You guys going to ratify the Monroe Doctrine next too? Nonetheless, Ivan would be proud that his ideals have finally caught on, even if it is only Kaskus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krihelion Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 kaskus aint what it once was gotta stay relevant somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KahlanRahl Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I had forgotten the Moldavi Doctrine was a thing, truth be told. At this rate, it'll be like, 20 years before the rest of Bob follows suit. Interesting move nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Whimsical Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 after reading this for almost 20 times, and a few highlights on IRC, I still couldn't understand what is this thing. I'm just not bright now. Kaskus made an optional ODP/PIAT with the entire world, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Kaskus made an optional ODP/PIAT with the entire world, You can't have a double optional, that just throws logic out of the window and nullify the whole treaty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I had forgotten the Moldavi Doctrine was a thing, truth be told. At this rate, it'll be like, 20 years before the rest of Bob follows suit. Interesting move nonetheless.Is it really interesting that they made an announcement that they're going to do what they've always done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOLO SWAG Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 This is a great move. I'm actually really impressed to see Kaskus adopting this policy, it's a great bridge to being completely paperless. While people will argue whether or not a document saying you don't need treaties to become involved in international incidents is necessary, this scaffolding exercise to make Kaskus' allies and members more comfortable with the idea is necessary for nations unfamiliar to the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margrave Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Excellent work, Kaskus, for recognizing what is self evident and the unalienable right of all alliances; a good step in the direction away from the stagnation of the treaty web and towards prosperity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 kaskus aint what it once was gotta stay relevant somehow We are what we always were. We were only 900k tNS when we hit the 4m NS of goons way back when. This is a great move. I'm actually really impressed to see Kaskus adopting this policy, it's a great bridge to being completely paperless. While people will argue whether or not a document saying you don't need treaties to become involved in international incidents is necessary, this scaffolding exercise to make Kaskus' allies and members more comfortable with the idea is necessary for nations unfamiliar to the idea. Thank you for the support. I think the majority of Bob should also ratify this doctrine. If we don't defend others against unwarranted aggression how can we expect others to help us when it's time to roll us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is a policy I can get behind, Limitless Nexus signs as well. /s/ Limitless Nexus Sovereign - Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KahlanRahl Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Is it really interesting that they made an announcement that they're going to do what they've always done? thatsthejoke.jpg :v: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Layton Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Good work, Kaskus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helbrecht Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Kaskus has made two major altercations, my favorite of which is that they'll keep upholding this doctrine even once it's become completely meaningless, like some sort of meaningless doctrine hoarder. You guys going to ratify the Monroe Doctrine next too? Nonetheless, Ivan would be proud that his ideals have finally caught on, even if it is only Kaskus. The doctrine is essentially a statement of fact, no? Every alliance has these options, at all times. Ivan, merely slapped the rest upside the head by codifying it into a document to remind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 The doctrine is essentially a statement of fact, no? Every alliance has these options, at all times. Ivan, merely slapped the rest upside the head by codifying it into a document to remind them. No alliance has exercised these options though. If anyone questions if we will... well they are welcome to. We will see if they are right or wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Glory be to Kaskus and long may they forego the frivolity of paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I don't understand this nonsense... The whole point of the game is to get as many treaties as possible and then hide behind them. no paper treaties...who do they think they are, Kaskus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 The doctrine is essentially a statement of fact, no? Every alliance has these options, at all times. Ivan, merely slapped the rest upside the head by codifying it into a document to remind them. No one has ever used it though. No alliance has exercised these options though. If anyone questions if we will... well they are welcome to. We will see if they are right or wrong though. I'm personally glad to see you adopted this. You know where to find us if you need us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 You can see this in two ways: as in advance communique to later justify intervention and thus try control PR damage, or as fair warning that shows that you're civil and accountable. I applaud consistency and transparency. As part of an alliance that has what many would call maybe the most "redundant and unnecessary" treaty of the history of CN - on which they would be wrong - I can understand the effort to make Kaskus's statutes more consistent, and the exercise of them more efficient, even if the doctrine is apparently superfluous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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