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thought: we should have the GM team and the community itself be the same entity

discussion: i believe this would have the following effects:

1. pestering of the GM team (and associated stress) will no longer be a thing

why? there is no formal 3-member GM team

2. issues that the community thinks are important get priority by default
3. no more having to bother with fucking elections
4. there is a significant dampening effect on bad-but-necessary OOC interactions (related to functioning as a GM)
5. all members will have active vote histories on past subjects
6. decreased time for issue resolution

why? due to lack of fatigue from the lack of stress on certain individuals to take charge in solving community matters

FAQ

"but hereno, what if we want simple things done quickly?"

take charge: get a few people to agree with you and you can probably be safe knowing that whatever you're doing is going to be fine within just a couple days

"this is stupid and you are stupid"

i don't like you anyway

also that isn't a question

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"this is stupid and you are stupid"

i don't like you anyway

also that isn't a question

This is stupid. And that may not be a question, but it's still my opinion on this. This is a splendid way to ensure we'll have drawn-out community debates over every issue. If you'd apply a system like this to the European War, that war would be still unresolved and not getting anywhere, because if it had not been for GM interventions, people would not even give each other a minimum of information, we'd be arguing whether stuff is feasable in the way it was done and space autocannons would still be a thing. Representative democracy is good for the shouting and whining masses of this community.

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This is stupid. And that may not be a question, but it's still my opinion on this. This is a splendid way to ensure we'll have drawn-out community debates over every issue. If you'd apply a system like this to the European War, that war would be still unresolved and not getting anywhere, because if it had not been for GM interventions, people would not even give each other a minimum of information, we'd be arguing whether stuff is feasable in the way it was done and space autocannons would still be a thing. Representative democracy is good for the shouting and whining masses of this community.


this community barely exists anymore.
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This is stupid. And that may not be a question, but it's still my opinion on this. This is a splendid way to ensure we'll have drawn-out community debates over every issue. If you'd apply a system like this to the European War, that war would be still unresolved and not getting anywhere, because if it had not been for GM interventions, people would not even give each other a minimum of information, we'd be arguing whether stuff is feasable in the way it was done and space autocannons would still be a thing. Representative democracy is good for the shouting and whining masses of this community.


Ditto.
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my idea will never be debunked because nobody here can actually get along long enough to actually rp

but they can all agree that the way things are now are way better than hereno's idea

maybe i will be the unifying hatred that will save cnrp

lmao fuck that

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my idea will never be debunked because nobody here can actually get along long enough to actually rp

but they can all agree that the way things are now are way better than hereno's idea

maybe i will be the unifying hatred that will save cnrp

lmao $%&@ that

No you won't be the unifying hatred.

 

To be fair I would support this if there were enough of a majority on any side to allow for meaningful RP to occur before OOC bickering over technology began.

There's bickering about not just technology, but just about everything.

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This would only create mob rule where the most numerous faction would always win disputes because of the weight in votes they can throw around. It will always be split along faction lines and ulterior motives.

See:
CNRP2
CNRPA's elections.


the gm team is a proxy of it
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Yes, but they at least have the capacity to act fast, and make decisions as an individual.


this is basically the cause of 100% of our problems that we have

case and point: you giving france a 3 month long freeze in rp2 Edited by Hereno
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so then you agree with me that it was a mistake made by a 3 person GM team?

 

No. I think it was the best decision the GMs could have possibly made and your argument is very airy and lacks substance. And your wild jumps to conclusions are rather amusing.

Edited by Shave N Haircut
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No. I think it was the best decision the GMs could have possibly made and your argument is very airy and lacks substance. And your wild jumps to conclusions are rather amusing.


so then you're glad that the other two GMs approved a 3-month freeze for you, but there's nothing wrong with the 3 GM system

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there is no way the community would have allowed something like that, and the fact that not being able to push things through the GM team so quickly bothers you so much just serves to support my case

if it isn't worth bothering the community about, it isn't something that requires a ruling

simple, easy, and if you abuse it, nobody will help you to get rulings on your rp
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You're such an adorable pile of fallacy. ^.^ Imma break this down by each hilarious little part.
 

so then you're glad that the other two GMs approved a 3-month freeze for you, but and there's nothing wrong with the 3 GM system


Fixed that for you.
 

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there is no way the community would have allowed something like that, and the fact that not being able to push things through the GM team so quickly bothers you so much just serves to support my case


News Flash: The Community did approve of it. In case you weren't paying attention, there was this huge discussion led by TBM and Zoot about it and the overwelming majority of people threw that down like it was hot.
 

if it isn't worth bothering the community about, it isn't something that requires a ruling


That's not true in the least, for obvious reasons. If you can't think of said obvious reasons, look at all the little individual GM rulings that have to be made over a set period.
 

simple, easy, and if you abuse it, nobody will help you to get rulings on your rp


That's draconian and stupid. You're basically saying "If no one likes you you can suck eggs about getting a favorable ruling. Even if you're right."

Just to clarify:
I don't mean to be patronizing. I really don't. I go out of my way to not do such things because I hate it when people do it to me.

But Damn do you make it easy. Furthermore, the way you do it only makes me feel justified in doing so.

Edited by Shave N Haircut
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I prefer 3 GMs with manageable powers and checks on it, who have power where necessary, while not getting powers where there is no need for it. CNRP2 in my opinion had far too powerful GMs, who could do whatever. For example, wipe the war or rule against inactivity rules. There are to be basic rules that cannot be overturned by the GMs. Constitutionalism is a good thing.

 

Also, nice Nyotalia...

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