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why isnt 9mil/100 tech deal the standard

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No it shouldn't.  That only works on the open market.  But when you're dealing with internal alliance tech dealing, that is usually not the case.  Many alliances regulate the the rate paid for tech to ensure the alliance overall benefits the most, which makes sense as working towards the common good is in large part the point of alliances.  

For an alliance, the most important factor in tech dealing isn't how much it costs but rather how much tech can the alliance overall move per unit time.  If an alliance uses a higher rate, cash will take up more of its slots thereby reducing the flow of tech.  Everyone loses in this scenario because the alliance will fare worse in war when fighting against alliances that use lower rates and have less ability to defend all of its members.

 

Well obviously the needs of the alliance comes first, when the alliance market is robust like it has been in Polaris, 9/100 is a good rate of compensation. That doesn't mean this is adhered to in a religious manner, if an alliance has to rebuild after a war of aggression then the rate may change. But ideally during a phase of full development I would argue that 9/100 is the natural standard.

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I change my mind. Tywin has encouraged me to resume tech dealing at a more reasonable rate of 9/150.

Take it or leave it

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I change my mind. Tywin has encouraged me to resume tech dealing at a more reasonable rate of 9/150.

Take it or leave it


That's a waste of an aid slot. A much worse crime than over paying for tech.

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I change my mind. Tywin has encouraged me to resume tech dealing at a more reasonable rate of 9/150.

Take it or leave it

 

My name isn't LA_Marx lol

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There's a program in Polaris that allows tech producers to dedicate themselves to constant tech production, and their production is recorded in case they want to cash in later, kind of like a tech bank.

 

If it's the same system I remember, it's very slick indeed (and I dont think anyone would have intentionally replaced it with something less cool, though of course sometimes system degenerate.)

 

Sheesh, when I started I did 3/150 deals. 

 

 

Me too. Specifically 4x4s, rolling 3/150 deals - very efficient.

 

Once I got to ~3-4k infra I didnt sell anymore, I just sent it out for free. It was probably another year or more before I started accumulating tech.

 

Then in Grämlins of course tech importation was mandatory, but when we got into war I ran out of targets way too quick for my taste because I had too much tech. Never been all that serious about importing it since, do it more for an excuse to meet a seller and help them out than for actually considering it a gain on my end. Too much tech = no targets = no casualties. Counterproductive.

 

 

That's a waste of an aid slot. A much worse crime than over paying for tech.

 

True words quoted.

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That's a waste of an aid slot. A much worse crime than over paying for tech.

then you can leave it

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I remember 3/150 being the standard and 3/100 being good when I started. By the time I ended, I was usually doing 3/50 because I was lazy but I think 6/150 had become a thing by then.

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The smartest players in town in regards to tech production and banking are those who have dedicated banking and tech producers. NPO, Sparta and the like have an automatic advantage in rebuilding. 

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If your tech is situated at 150k, and most of your opponents are at 50k or below, that tech is useless. In such a war scenario a 50k nation can pump just as much cash aid as a 150k nation, but in practice because a mass recruiting alliance has more membership there will probably be more aid slots being sent out. In such a conflict the majority of fighting that could take place would be among tech producing nations, were a tech denial strategy implemented by the low-tier producer alliance.

This brings up some points:

*The upper tier alliance will need low and mid-tier meatshields like R&R to fight effectively
*Upper tier nations in mass-recruitment alliances will have their arm twisted by foreign parasitical interests
*There is thus a political contradiction between producing nations and some upper tier nations in mass recruitment alliances

So long as a few upper tier nations in otherwise productive alliances, typically the same nations who disobey orders and hide in peace mode during war, have political power, lower tier producers will never realize their full potential (and thus rarely obtain fair tech compensation). In fact although I bought the FAC many months ago, only in Polaris did it really pay itself off.

 

150k is an arbitrary figure. What about "my" own 50k nations, who also have the benefit of 6/200 or 9/300 deals? My 40s, 60s and 70s? Seriously, if any alliance followed the ridiculous 9/100 tech plan, after the following conflict the only tier they'd ever be relevant in again is the lowest, unless they altered their economic policy. You again harp on about this "tech denial strategy" like it's some newfangled, brilliant concept. I've said this already elsewhere: you'd not be doing anything to tech sellers that wouldn't ordinarily happen during an extended conflict. And in any event, due to the pre-existing policies in place aren't my people already equipped with large quantities of tech, more than enough to blow away the puny amounts your people have collected?

 

Let's be honest here, your heavily biased points pretty much equate to:

- Fuck you R&R

- Fuck you DBDC

- Fuck all you upper tier nations

 

As to your final point, well, it depends on the alliance. I'm sure your view of "fair tech compensation" is as equally skewed as your hatred of upper tier nations.

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6m/200t or 9m/300t or bust.

 

 

is it 2011?

 

There are more tech buyers on the market than there are tech sellers.

 

supply-and-demand, tech rates at 9 million is becoming the norm

 

sure, you can try a 6 million for 200 tech deal, good luck getting the last 100 tech

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NpO seems like the perfect alliance for a seller tbh, if no one is willing to do 9/100 deals with you, sellers should find an alliance that will.

Yes, in the New Polar Order we encourage the FAC as one of the first wonders to get... as to make 9/100 tech deals.

1 slot of money for 1 slot of tech has been our standard since I have memory. 

And when the 9/100 deals became possible, we all started to make those deals.

To be honest, I thought that this was "everyone's" standard because I am used to the market of Polaris.

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I'm winning a friendship with DBDC and their protection, which, is like, the best thing you can ask for. You know, the top nations in the game?

A very useful protection... !!!

The nation with the highest NS in your Alliance has 15,219.970 NS.... 

The nation with the lowest NS in DBDC has 217,954.547 NS....

LOL... I don't think anyone in your Alliance will get anywhere near to the rang in which your "protector" can actually "protect" if you sell 9/300

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A very useful protection... !!!

The nation with the highest NS in your Alliance has 15,219.970 NS.... 

The nation with the lowest NS in DBDC has 217,954.547 NS....

LOL... I don't think anyone in your Alliance will get anywhere near to the rang in which your "protector" can actually "protect" if you sell 9/300


Even if they do get DBDC support. What's it matter? Anyone thag touches them has my personal guarantee as one half of their protectors they will get their teeth kicked in.

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A very useful protection... !!!
The nation with the highest NS in your Alliance has 15,219.970 NS.... 
The nation with the lowest NS in DBDC has 217,954.547 NS....
LOL... I don't think anyone in your Alliance will get anywhere near to the rang in which your "protector" can actually "protect" if you sell 9/300



Actually, I'm not staying in Saoirse for ever. I'm team Doom and will always be. I re-rolled and joined Saoirse because of some GOONS stuff....

I'll quit Saoirse in less than a month.

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We should just go back to 3/50. I personally think the update which raised amount of aid from 3m to 6m and 4.5m to 9m was a mistake. As well with tech.

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A very useful protection... !!!
The nation with the highest NS in your Alliance has 15,219.970 NS.... 
The nation with the lowest NS in DBDC has 217,954.547 NS....
LOL... I don't think anyone in your Alliance will get anywhere near to the rang in which your "protector" can actually "protect" if you sell 9/300


An don't forget Doom Squad and all Doom Sphere allies~~~~ DBDC might not be in range to protect me but their allies surely can.

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I would like to learn more about the Polaris NpO system Tywin. Can you visit the LSF Forums? I am quite surprised that another alliance, esp one with imperial history is doing a rather socialist measure before DL.

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I would like to learn more about the Polaris NpO system Tywin. Can you visit the LSF Forums? I am quite surprised that another alliance, esp one with imperial history is doing a rather socialist measure before DL.


Come apply for diplomat paperwork in my sig! There are plenty of people more knowledgeable about economics than myself who could answer questions in diplomatic quarters! :)

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150k is an arbitrary figure. What about "my" own 50k nations, who also have the benefit of 6/200 or 9/300 deals? My 40s, 60s and 70s? Seriously, if any alliance followed the ridiculous 9/100 tech plan, after the following conflict the only tier they'd ever be relevant in again is the lowest, unless they altered their economic policy. You again harp on about this "tech denial strategy" like it's some newfangled, brilliant concept. I've said this already elsewhere: you'd not be doing anything to tech sellers that wouldn't ordinarily happen during an extended conflict. And in any event, due to the pre-existing policies in place aren't my people already equipped with large quantities of tech, more than enough to blow away the puny amounts your people have collected?

 

Let's be honest here, your heavily biased points pretty much equate to:

- $%&@ you R&R

- $%&@ you DBDC

- $%&@ all you upper tier nations

 

As to your final point, well, it depends on the alliance. I'm sure your view of "fair tech compensation" is as equally skewed as your hatred of upper tier nations.

 

 

The advantage that Doomsphere has that Tywin and others hate to take into account is that by having control of the top tier, we've systematically gained control of all levels of the upper tier as well.  Which means eventually we can down declare on all of the nations that they have and inflict more damage to their nations than they can to ours.  Its a beautiful strategy first pioneered by Citadel so many years ago.

 

And now, with the help of alliances like Doom Squad which is full battle hardened, pipe-laying pitbulls: the upper tiers become the hammer and our lower tier is the anvil. 

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And now, with the help of alliances like Doom Squad which is full battle hardened, pipe-laying pitbulls: the upper tiers become the hammer and our lower tier is the anvil.

I just got rock hard all of sudden, talk dirty to me baby! :awesome: :war:

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A very useful protection... !!!

The nation with the highest NS in your Alliance has 15,219.970 NS.... 

The nation with the lowest NS in DBDC has 217,954.547 NS....

LOL... I don't think anyone in your Alliance will get anywhere near to the rang in which your "protector" can actually "protect" if you sell 9/300


That's why they have us 'n Atlas, silly.

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Personally I think 9/200 is pretty fair too. For buyers the amount of cash generally isnt the issue, it's the slot usage. A slot is a slot, it makes no discernable difference to my bottom line if I 6mil or 9, I'd be happy to send 12 if I could for the same return. But slot for slot is a sweetheart deal for close allies and open market should be one for two in my mind.
 
Then again the thing about any open market is that it sets its own prices without being dependent on what any one of us thinks it should be, no?


what do you think a market is?

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That's why they have us 'n Atlas, silly.

 

Exactly, even though I'll quit Saoirse soon for another AA.

 

A very useful protection... !!!

The nation with the highest NS in your Alliance has 15,219.970 NS.... 

The nation with the lowest NS in DBDC has 217,954.547 NS....

LOL... I don't think anyone in your Alliance will get anywhere near to the rang in which your "protector" can actually "protect" if you sell 9/300

 

R&R, Atlas, Doom Sphere (DBDC-DS-DT-SPATR-MK-AB...the list is too long)

 

^^^^^^Those are my protectors, right there.

 

When I'll quit Saoirse, I'll only have the Doom Sphere, but that's more than enough

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I'll quit Saoirse in less than a month.

 

even though I'll quit Saoirse

 

When I'll quit Saoirse

 

Saoirse, what are you doing to this poor fellow?

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