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I would have followed you, my brother... my captain... my king  ||| I will be your king.                                                                   .

 

You know what I hate? The romanticization of the past. Players like Archon or Moldavi or whoever weren't on another level intellectually than those around us now, they just saw opportunities and took them. They were the difference between Boromir saying he would have done something and Thorin actually doing it (I mean these specific scenes pictured above, I know the analogy falls apart when carried over to the entire series, that's irrelevant though. Pay attention now). All you need to do is look around the world and seize the opportunities around you. 

 

Surely I am safe, I have XX.  Surely I am safe, I have TOP. Surely I am safe, I have NPO. Surely I am safe, I am have Polardox. Surely I am safe, I have GPA/WTF... I have Umbrella? IRON? FEAR? DT? C&G? Meh.

 

The Tywins of the world have been clamoring for a champion for some time now. Everyone thought IRON would stand up and fight when raided, but they backed down and allied DBDC once raided. Then it was Polardox as the bastion of hope, surely the Citadel remnants would stop the mighty DBDC. Even still some clung to a hope that the neutrals like GPA and WTF would save them. Okay TDO went but they didn't have a great upper tier. Okay GPA said they were going to fight but once DBDC concentrated on knocking the biggest naysayers down they went quietly. Surely WTF will stand and save the day though, they have huge nations...

 

Enough with the excuses. The world stands still as the masses await their savior to show up from just over that mountain top. One to arise from the great beyond to lead them to victory. 

 

It's better to fight now with WTF than to fight alone later. 

 

We're waiting.  :war:

 

 

Is that a call out? Or a call to help? 

$%&@ if I know, why's he got to be so stupid.

 

  Roll Kaskus!          

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It's a shame that you hijacked Kaskus for your own personal agenda against DBDC.  Makes me sad because Kaskus, but also NEW and SPATR are cool alliances which I have massive amounts of respect for. 

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It's a shame that you hijacked Kaskus for your own personal agenda against DBDC.  Makes me sad because Kaskus, but also NEW and SPATR are cool alliances which I have massive amounts respect for. 

 

I don't have a personal agenda against DBDC. I literally couldn't care one way or the other about them, I am too small for it to ever matter. 

 

All I'm saying is lets have this war to end all wars now. Dragging it out like this, waiting for the next one to declare is boring... 

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I don't have a personal agenda against DBDC. I literally couldn't care one way or the other about them, I am too small for it to ever matter. 

 

If you don't have an agenda against DBDC, why do you clamor for war against them?

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If you don't have an agenda against DBDC, why do you clamor for war against them?

 

To: Xanth    From: Unknown Smurf    Date: 1/13/2015 3:11:11 AM

Subject: Now what?

Can't hit MHA cuz Lulu gets mad, and we can't hit legion because y'all peace'd and we can't hit Roman Empire because 3% peaced...

 

The fuck am I supposed to do now?

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WTF didnt help anyone else when DBDC swooped, why the flying fuck would anyone help them?

Plus TB is crazy awesome <3

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WTF didnt help anyone else when DBDC swooped, why the flying $%&@ would anyone help them?
 

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

 

Plus TB is crazy awesome <3
 
Everyone has friends in DBDC, few are friends with all of DBDC. One of the most overlooked factors of DBDCs greatness is its foreign affairs structure. They have someone who is an amazing friends/dual member with every sphere who serves as a liason. Surely they will never destroy SP&TR because of Bones. Surely they will never roll FEAR because of Vesp. Surely they will never roll Aztec because of SCM. Surely they will never roll tJL/AI because of WC. etc.
 
Victory is inevitable. If there is any that doubts, please stand up. 
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WTF didnt help anyone else when DBDC swooped, why the flying $%&@ would anyone help them?

Plus TB is crazy awesome <3

Its this attitude which prevents anyone from putting up a united front against invaders, then once someone is under attack its to late.

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You're confusing me Smurf. I thought this current global that's winding down was a DS party. You were on the DS side.

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I don't have a personal agenda against DBDC. I literally couldn't care one way or the other about them, I am too small for it to ever matter. 
 
All I'm saying is lets have this war to end all wars now. Dragging it out like this, waiting for the next one to declare is boring...

You could always take some goddamn adderall.

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.

Ok can we NOT bastardize my [ooc]Bar Mitzvah[/ooc] speech here please? Holocaust references rarely achieve anything and this is no exception.

Everyone has friends in DBDC.
 
Victory is inevitable. If there is any that doubts, please stand up.

So you're concerned that we are too good at making (and defending) friends. I would advise you to pick your battles, but then I realize I'm talking to the guy actually made me sympathize with MI6 Edited by CubaQuerida

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Okay GPA said they were going to fight but once DBDC concentrated on knocking the biggest naysayers down they went quietly.

I don't understand this part, maybe it's the language barrier.

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.


Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.


 

 
 
Everyone has friends in DBDC, few are friends with all of DBDC. One of the most overlooked factors of DBDCs greatness is its foreign affairs structure. They have someone who is an amazing friends/dual member with every sphere who serves as a liason. Surely they will never destroy SP&TR because of Bones. Surely they will never roll FEAR because of Vesp. Surely they will never roll Aztec because of SCM. Surely they will never roll tJL/AI because of WC. etc.
 
Victory is inevitable. If there is any that doubts, please stand up. 

Nobody quoted holocaust statements when WTF( ane polar and everyone else) didn't show up to help others...not sure what your point is. Everyone stood around with their thumbs up their arse when people tried to fight the good fight 1.5 years ago. Since then DBDC diplo'd the people they fought and now we are all sitting back laughing at the butthurt together.

I don't even care if politics puts me opposite DBDC in the future, I'm enjoying watching people reap the consequences of their earlier inaction.

If anything I feel sorry for DBDC, a bunch of jackasses run around calling them cowards for not attacking big upper tiers, when they do attack a big upper tier nobody even fights back. There is like no challenge left for them at all at this point, and considering how much they all like casualties, that's kinda sad :(

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You say "the Tywins of the world" as if I am just a spectator, but I have been pretty active in fighting and laying out strategy ever since Mushqaeda. Ever notice how I fall out of govt alot? But if you ask those who were in govt with me and most will not say I am incompetent at govt work.

I've laid out the entire class dynamic though (producers and parasites) and its not a situation of someone taking leadership anymore. I have tried to do so for many months and could not do it. Emperor Dajobo has taken leadership, yet all those other alliances fighting Polaris continue to fight Polar for petty politics.

Why expect fighting alongside WTF to do any good when people were too embroiled in petty politics to fight alongside Polar? The problem is the upper tier trend of infra-hugging, parasitism, and sycophancy, not any deficiency in leadership. No matter how many favorable situations you put in front of the upper tier they do not act.

Therefore the answer is to abandon the upper tier entirely and consolidate power and policy around lower tier producer interests. This is not even to wage war against DBDC necessarily, this is just to protect our own sovereignty and interests, and allow us a method of reprisals.

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If anything I feel sorry for DBDC, a bunch of jackasses run around calling them cowards for not attacking big upper tiers, when they do attack a big upper tier nobody even fights back. There is like no challenge left for them at all at this point, and considering how much they all like casualties, that's kinda sad :(

 

It is kind of sad but they did it to themselves, knew what they were doing, and can undo it any time, so I think it's silly to feel bad for them.

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I don't have a personal agenda against DBDC. 

 

*makes multiple attention-getting threads attempting to gather support against DBDC*

 

Can't stand being unimportant can you smurf  :lol1: 

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It is kind of sad but they did it to themselves, knew what they were doing, and can undo it any time, so I think it's silly to feel bad for them.

We're standing right here man.  

 

This whole "problem" you think we've created is just a natural step for us, and we evolve with the times.  The mechanics are such that there will always be at least 250 nations in range, and if it so happens that all 250 of them are our friends, then we can be proud of that, but that's not the reality.  It's not even about imposing some new world order upon any specific group of nations or class, it's that we know who our friends are, and we're capable of shifting the dynamic both physically and diplomatically.  We are prepared to use all tools at our disposal to make that happen.

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Smurf, I'm rather confused and surprised with your stance in this thread. 

 

If there's going to be a big war against dbdc then there will. Trying to coax the game into moving on that with an owf post is not only ineffective but it is also I'll advised as neither side will read into what you're saying with anything but skepticism and distrust.

 

Let the game go the way it goes and be happy it's still here to log into. We all know the cycle, big guys on top get beat down eventually and another is there to take their place and so on and so on. 

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Edit* accidentally double posted. Damn mobile browser.

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You could always take some goddamn adderall.

I laughed out loud, Rey.

 

It's a shame that you hijacked Kaskus for your own personal agenda against DBDC.  

 

I don't want to speak for Smurf, but I think this was a call out of Bob, not DBDC.

 

DBDC is doing it better than anyone has done it before -- like them or not, they are saving Bob.  Tywinn's vision of Bob -- what with the stability and the order and the unimpinged sovereignty-- ultimately makes for a boring planet.  You now have a powerful entity that has challenged that with a multitude of powerful alliances in an effort to make them fight for the principles they hold dear.  With the exception of RIA and PAX, no one really has.  They either peace out and sign a treaty with DBDC, or they peace mode and hide. Everyone has known for a while that the only way to beat them is a Karma-style war; in fact, DBDC has given Bob every opportunity to do so.  The result will be a lot of blood shed and a major reset to the planet, and so far no one has been willing to pay this price.

 

Smurf's Bar Mitzvah speech, if you can divorce it from the literal context, is spot on.  Every alliance that has been raided peaces out to save its skin at the cost of its pride and sovereignty, and every alliance that isn't raided wipes its brow and thanks Admin it isn't them.  No one has ever attempted to keep DBDC at war longer than they want to be -- "just give us peace and move on to the next guy, please." Meanwhile, DBDC grows more powerful and requires more sacrifice to stop, while Bob wrings its hands and wonders what can be done.

 

The solution is right in front you, and DBDC is giving Bob the chance -- begging, actually -- to step up and make the hard choice.  They have poked every hornet's nest they can in an effort to do so, including the biggest.  The fact that the hornets won't come out is their fault, not DBDC's.  Planet Bob has the "villain" it needs to thrive, but chooses to let 19 nations rule them because it requires less effort than the grind of fighting back.

 

This is all very easy to say at my NS, and I realize that.  Doesn't make it less true.  Someday we may look at coming events as one of the most interesting times on Planet Bob. And isn't that why we're here? This isn't a nation-building planet, it is a political planet. Upper tier nations can put away their green visors and arm garters and become relevant in war as fighting machines. DBDC is giving you the opportunity if you're willing to pay the price.  

 

And Admin bless'em for it.

 

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