Delusions vs Buzzards

[gatorback05]

 

lulzists presented with power behave just like any other people.

 

What AAs have the power to be considered Lulzists? What is your definition of POWER? 

 

I am quite confused on your debating since it seems to contradict itself at every turn.  

[Williambonney]

What AAs have the power to be considered Lulzists? What is your definition of POWER? 
 
I am quite confused on your debating since it seems to contradict itself at every turn.

You are of course aware that is Tywin your asking, right? :D

Also, suggested reading for Tywin: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/power_(social_and_political) Edited December 7, 2014 by Williambonney

[TBRaiders]

I tend to think of it as:

 

lulzists = chaotic evil

 

NPO (for example)  = lawful evil

 

Both are aggressive and expansionist, but an alliance like NPO shoehorns its aggression into legalese like CB's, treaty language, doctrines being violated, etc. DBDC doesn't show respect for any limitations beyond what they can do with their strength. The end result is the same though, it's just one is a bit more wanton in their violence than the other (and lulzier in their culture).

 

Edit: I've played D&D like twice, so cut me some slack if the game uses those terms slightly differently.

 

A lulzist does something for kicks with no end game in mind or damn the consequences; its all about the lulz.

 

Neither us nor our allies are lulzy.  It's intended to be a derogatory term or at best a label for the simple-minded.

[Schad]

C'mon, people, let's not rehash the same tired debate about DBDC.

 

This thread should be a place where we discuss Scorn's aims of global hegemony and the brave resistance of the embattled patriots of AZTEC.

[Prodigal Moon]

 

A lulzist does something for kicks with no end game in mind or damn the consequences; its all about the lulz.

 

Neither us nor our allies are lulzy.  It's intended to be a derogatory term or at best a label for the simple-minded.

 

I don't at all mean to imply DBDC isn't acting with purpose and strategic skill. In fact, every "lulzy" AA that I can think of is/was highly competitive. But let's break this down a bit:

 

The centerpiece of your flag is the silhouette of what looks to be an amateur bodybuilder who may or may not be the subject of multiple internet memes.

 

Your other flag has bunnies and intentionally(?) bad MS paint drawing.

 

Your titles are some kind of in-joke about a TV show.

 

You once "surrendered" to RIA (see other thread).

 

Your alliance name is DOOMBIRD DOOMCAVE.

 

I think it's fair to say there's a difference in how you present yourself compared to the NPO with it its traditional flag, "Imperial Advisers," pretensions of self-created philosophical govt. , etc. Regardless of how serious you are about your goals, your culture is not one that screams "srs bsns."

Edited December 7, 2014 by Prodigal Moon

[Schad]

 

I don't at all mean to imply DBDC isn't acting with purpose and strategic skill. In fact, every "lulzy" AA that I can think of is/was highly competitive. But let's break this down a bit:

 

The centerpiece of your flag is the silhouette of what looks to be an amateur bodybuilder who may or may not be the subject of multiple internet memes.

 

Your other flag has bunnies and intentionally(?) bad MS paint drawing.

 

Your titles are some kind of in-joke about a TV show.

 

You once "surrendered" to RIA (see other thread).

 

Your alliance name is DOOMBIRD DOOMCAVE.

 

I think it's fair to say there's a difference in how you present yourself compared to the NPO with it its traditional flag, "Imperial Advisers," pretensions of self-created philosophical govt. , etc. Regardless of how serious you are about your goals, your culture is not one that screams "srs bsns."

 

This is inarguably the strangest rationalization I've seen in my time in this world. [i]Your own alliance[/i] has ministerial positions based largely on [ooc][i]1984[/i][/ooc]; do cultural references an unserious alliance make? 

[The Zigur]

 

This is inarguably the strangest rationalization I've seen in my time in this world. Your own alliance has ministerial positions based largely on [ooc]1984[/ooc]; do cultural references an unserious alliance make? 

 

sing to the sailors on the aircraft carriers
sing to the soldiers on the battlefield
sing to the airmen of the burning azure
sing to the producers rising yield
we are the children, builders of the future
and we the children, swear to thee
loyal devotion, fearless devotion
and to die with dignity
Sing to the faithful members of the Order
and sing to Order policy
Sing to our alliance, mighty Polaris
Land of peace and victory!

Edited December 7, 2014 by Tywin Lannister

[Prodigal Moon]

 

This is inarguably the strangest rationalization I've seen in my time in this world. Your own alliance has ministerial positions based largely on [ooc]1984[/ooc]; do cultural references an unserious alliance make? 

I think you're missing the point there. The book known as 1984 in my nation is a pretty serious work of political commentary, and the ironic government labels used in it are easily recognized and understood in this context. There might be a wink to it depending on whether you think we're as despotic as the government in that book. But it's definitely not goofy or random at all.

[Schad]

I think you're missing the point there. The book known as 1984 in my nation is a pretty serious work of political commentary, and the ironic government labels used in it are easily recognized and understood in this context. There might be a wink to it depending on whether you think we're as despotic as the government in that book. But it's definitely not goofy or random at all.

 

DBDC must be an unserious alliance because their cultural references are not nearly as pretentious as yours. Be right back; changing our alliance's titles to characters from Dostoevsky stories and thus achieving Peak Seriousness. 

[The Zigur]

 

DBDC must be an unserious alliance because their cultural references are not nearly as pretentious as yours. Be right back; changing our alliance's titles to characters from Dostoevsky stories and thus achieving Peak Seriousness. 

 

It's not just the theme that matters, so does mentality. Polaris is a social organism, united and strong. Soft nation strength damage is meaningless to Polar because building the biggest strongest nations was never the point, the point is the collective good of the alliance. Our collective psychology is resilient and individualism does not plague us as it does with the lulzists, who believe that the unrestrained egoism of the individual is the highest social value.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Tywin Lannister

[Auctor]

I for one find it nearly impossible to take DBDC seriously. They're such kidders.

[Prodigal Moon]

 

DBDC must be an unserious alliance because their cultural references are not nearly as pretentious as yours. Be right back; changing our alliance's titles to characters from Dostoevsky stories and thus achieving Peak Seriousness. 

 

It's part of a broader theme that I think I outlined pretty clearly, which you're intentionally ignoring in order to make this strawman argument. If you think NPO and DBDC come of as equally serious in terms of theme and culture then I have no idea how you can distinguish between anyone in this world.

[Schad]

 

It's part of a broader theme that I think I outlined pretty clearly, which you're intentionally ignoring in order to make this strawman argument. If you think NPO and DBDC come of as equally serious in terms of theme and culture then I have no idea how you can distinguish between anyone in this world.

 

The 'broader theme' you outline would get a raised eyebrow and D+ in any freshman comparative politics class. Little of what you have cited is relevant to the actors you mention;  it's the rhetorical equivalent of calling the New Polar Order an unserious grouping because the name is an anagram of Warred El Porno.

[ChairmanHal]

I thought those were raids, not wars? I mean that's what you told everyone after doing it.

 

Well if we're counting raids as wars, I'm pretty sure I'm still ahead of 'roid boy there in terms of wars by far.   <_< 

 

As a side note, if DBDC is trying to convince the general Planet Bob community that they belong and should be considered good citizens...it's not working.  

[Prodigal Moon]

 
The 'broader theme' you outline would get a raised eyebrow and D+ in any freshman comparative politics class. Little of what you have cited is relevant to the actors you mention;  it's the rhetorical equivalent of calling the New Polar Order an unserious grouping because the name is an anagram of Warred El Porno.

Irrelevant to you perhaps, basketball ninja.

[White Chocolate]

Hail DBDC!
Hail Delusions of Grandeur!

Hello Scorn, been a while. Nice to see you.
 

Irrelevant to you perhaps, basketball ninja.

*cough*

I highly suggest that the rest of you take cover fast. This war of words just got real! Edited December 7, 2014 by White Chocolate

[Schad]

Irrelevant to you perhaps, basketball ninja.

 

And equally irrelevant to you, Justician. The titles we assign ourselves change a hundred times over should we remain here for any duration; some are serious, some less so. Our character persists unchanged; have you been a different person in each of your dozen or so stops along the way? 

[The Zigur]

 

Well if we're counting raids as wars, I'm pretty sure I'm still ahead of 'roid boy there in terms of wars by far.   <_< 

 

As a side note, if DBDC is trying to convince the general Planet Bob community that they belong and should be considered good citizens...it's not working.  

 

DBDC and their ilk are simply a parasite feeding off of the host civilization, exploiting down-declaring weaknesses in physics to bully nations hundreds of thousands of NS smaller, like the kid in 3rd grade among kindergarteners. it's what happens when you leave lulzists alone for too long to commit their chaotic crimes.

 

Best way to deal with it is to besiege the lulzist top tier and exterminate any lower tier terror logistics agents.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Tywin Lannister

[ChairmanHal]

 

DBDC and their ilk are simply a parasite feeding off of the host civilization, exploiting down-declaring weaknesses in physics to bully nations hundreds of thousands of NS smaller, like the kid in 3rd grade among kindergarteners. it's what happens when you leave lulzists alone for too long to commit their chaotic crimes.

 

Best way to deal with it is to besiege the lulzist top tier and exterminate any lower tier terror logistics agents.

 

As I stated elsewhere, the time for that was long ago and has now passed.  CN exists now at about 140k NS or so or below.  What goes on above that bears little resemblance to the rest of Planet Bob.

[Starcraftmazter]

Exploitation offers power to an already corrupt group of individuals by nature. It has to continue to its logical conclusion: tyranny of the upper tiers and class warfare against the lower tiers.

What the heck does that even mean?

We are not officials of any authority or state who's rules we can break, we can not be corrupt by definition...

[hartfw]

 

 Be right back; changing our alliance's titles to characters from Twin Peaks. Seriousness. 

 

Fixed.  And it will be great.

[The Zigur]

What the heck does that even mean?

We are not officials of any authority or state who's rules we can break, we can not be corrupt by definition...

 

You are morally and mentally corrupted, lacking the traits we see in civilized folk. The essence of Lulzism is the embrace of Chaos and the unrestricted egoism of the individual, an egoism not devoted to higher common goals like are productive members of alliances like Polaris. It acts in an antisocial manner as it seeks amusement from destroying and usurping the works of others.

 

Civilized rulers create something of value to everyone, whether art, or technology, or military coordination, a strong social culture, or many other things. We take pride in our accomplishments together as we build Order from Chaos. We are not parasites but producers, creating a stronger collective organism from our gathered nations.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Tywin Lannister

[Starcraftmazter]

You are morally and mentally corrupted, lacking the traits we see in civilized folk. The essence of Lulzism is the embrace of Chaos and the unrestricted egoism of the individual, an egoism not devoted to higher common goals like are productive members of alliances like Polaris. It acts in an antisocial manner as it seeks amusement from destroying and usurping the works of others.
 
Civilized rulers create something of value to everyone, whether art, or technology, or military coordination, a strong social culture, or many other things. We take pride in our accomplishments together as we build Order from Chaos. We are not parasites but producers, creating a stronger collective organism from our gathered nations.

Your comments are misplaced outside of the reality that the rest of us are in.

[gatorback05]

 

As I stated elsewhere, the time for that was long ago and has now passed.  CN exists now at about 140k NS or so or below.  What goes on above that bears little resemblance to the rest of Planet Bob.

http://www.cybernations.net/alliance_display.asp?ID=10155

 

Seems like you need kick some members or get them to the existence of CN as you stated elsewhere.

 

I can help if you need the assistance.  Just give me a wink ;)

[CubaQuerida]

 

Well if we're counting raids as wars, I'm pretty sure I'm still ahead of 'roid boy there in terms of wars by far.   <_< 

 

As a side note, if DBDC is trying to convince the general Planet Bob community that they belong and should be considered good citizens...it's not working.  

Congrats on Most Condescending Post of December!  I find it hard to maintain a rational dialogue when you just hurl physical insults and overplayed legitimacy claims from 2013.

 

 

As I stated elsewhere, the time for that was long ago and has now passed.  CN exists now at about 140k NS or so or below.  What goes on above that bears little resemblance to the rest of Planet Bob.

Congrats on Most Defeated Sounding Post of December!  The mark has, however, been moved up to 170k.  

 

I struggle to understand why this is still a thing.  It doesn't matter if we 'belong' or if subjective terms like 'good' can be applied to us.  My nation has just as much a right to exist as yours and the only difference is we've freed ourselves from the bonds of having to restrain our war declarations.  It's very liberating and as long as we're prepared to face the consequences, it's our deal.  We've been extremely consistent with not giving a crap about sovereignty since the beginning.  

 

By all means, continue to publicly agree with the biggest troll CN has to offer and maybe you'll find your new calling.  Obviously super tier relevance ain't your thing.