Landings in Northlands

[Triyun]

Having had little contact with the Northlands in some time, British forces landed in the Azores, Iceland, Netherlands, North Sea Accessible Germany, and launched air landings into their Islands across the Atlantic, in Gibraltar, and the Med Islands.  A message was sent out to the world, as it had bee [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/124497-the-tower-and-crypt/?p=3319370]sometime[/url] since the Northlands had had any contact, the British as their neighbors, and historically the closest to many of the areas administered by Northlands culturally, assuming a protectorate over the region.  Private dispatches were sent to the Carthaginians, Prussians, Hannover, and Hessians for consultations.

 

OOC:  Ty passed 3 week mark 2 days ago.

[Kevin Kingswell]

Private to Great Britain  

 

"We in Hanover are more than prepared to support this move to ensure stability in the region, if there is anything we can do to support you in any way please let us know".

[Centurius]

There would be no public response from Carthage however a private response would be made.

 

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"We thank you for the swift action where it comes to our ally in the Northlands. While Carthage has no objections to British movements there is the exception of Gibraltar. The former Northlands signed an agreement providing for the transfer of Gibraltar to Carthage in case of a collapse of Northlands. Due to surrounding this location and our historic interest in the region we would like to request that Gibraltar is passed to Carthaginian control"

[Horo the Wise Wolf]

Prussian troops and naval units would land on Rügen, to bring it under their control in light of the Northlandic collapse. The remainder of the land being under British protection was considered acceptable, who would be kept up-to date on the island.

[Lysergide]

Diplomatic Note from Sverige

 

To the British attempting to land in German territory of Northlands, we must regret to inform you that the territory is currently manned by Sverige soldiers, and as per agree agreement with Northlands previous government about the Kiel Canal, the territory will fall under the domain of the Kingdom of Sverige.

[JEDCJT]

Private:

 

The Russian people would mourn the loss of their longtime ally, and not a few of them would be found in bars and pubs, drowning their sorrows in death vodka. In the privacy of his office in the Palace of Soviets, First Secretary Imran Markov would shed a tear, and he would call his good friend, King Karl Gustaf, to commiserate. 

[Triyun]

To the Kingdom of Sverige:

 

Please be advised in regards to all German Territory, our pressing concern is the integrity of the German state with our allies and friends within Germany, the political status of German territory especially in regards to formal annexation should be discussed with Prussia, Hesse, and Hannover.  Britain will not support the dismantling of the German State by a foreign army.  We do not have plans to annex the disputed region in question ourself.

 

 

 

 

To Carthage:

 

Britain would request the ability to leave a base on the Rock, while transfering sovereignty to Carthage.

 

Globally all, now even the farthest reaches of Northlands, via operations through Falklands, would fall under British Dominion and protectorship.

Edited November 3, 2014 by Triyun

[Lysergide]

Diplomatic Reply from Sverige

 

It is not in British Interests to interfere in internal Sverige Affairs. This territory is not German, and has not been German for some time now. With the passing of the Northlands government, due to our joint administration of the area, it falls to us to continue to administer and control this territory to maintain structure and create a stable environment for the Danish and other Sverige Citizens that now call this territory home. We are happy to welcome any Germans in this territory as full citizens within our nation and intend to do so.

[Triyun]

"Its also not Sverige yet according to anyone by the Sverige.  You care to explain what exactly happened to the Germans there, I find no historical record of this magic shift?" 

[Kevin Kingswell]

Considering the long historical culture of the land and the respect that should be given to it we in Hanover feel that the land is truly German and should be returned to a German nation and that is why we suggest that the German territory of the former Northlands should be turned over to joint control of Hanover and Hesse. To achieve this without violence we suggest that a meeting be held involving Hanover, Hesse, Great Britain and Sverige at the earliest opportunity.  

[Lysergide]

"With the long time control of the Northlands government, as well as the major wars that had ravaged this planet, as well as the long standing treaty between the Northlands and Sverige, most of the population is now indeed Dutch or a Norse Ethnicity that moved here to work for the Canal administration. A large part of the population is no longer German, and with the lack of a long time German presence the territorial claims of the Germans over this territory has long been lost. The territory will be returned to our Danish administration that long held it in the past before the Germans took it from them."

[Triyun]

Yes well the problem with that argument is you have a rather massive problem with Northlands [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/121868-northlands-news/?p=3295889]contradicting you[/url].  Northlands documents refer to the provinces as German, going so far as defining there to be a Department of German Integration.  The only records of resettlement we've found in the Northlands archives, are resettlement within [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/121868-northlands-news/?p=3298731]2 kilometers of the canal zone[/url] not the whole province, and the populations of urban areas were exempted.  To claim there are no Germans there seems to contradict what Northlands itself is saying.  Some areas of the canal maybe, but the whole area, I do not think so... unless you did something with them.

[Lysergide]

"It is good to see our British Counterparts are capable of reading, and are very good at pulling up clippings from the Northlands Archive News Network. I am very proud of them to find such an old document, and seem to be under the impression that as time passes, things change, areas change, people move in, and people move out. Sverige citizens heavily populated the area as part of the open border policy with the Northlands seeking employment, as many Germans crossed the border into Sverige. I would assume besides the ones that have stayed, if they did not end up in the Kingdom of Sverige, then I must assume they went to other areas. So sir, I must say your attempt to cause us mass murders is rather a farce and shows your character as another militant nation, perhaps you should be more concerned with your own allies butchering Germans, and be less concerned as what Sverige does with its own territory. Or does the British Isles turn a blind eye to blatant murder?"

[Evangeline Anovilis]

Not public

 

The loss of the Northlands was, in certain regards, a loss of an important partner. While only sharing optional defense ties, Northlands-Romania relations had been seen by many as a diplomatic success in the securing ties to improve Europe's stability. With the Northlands however falling apart, Bucharest could only hope that the long-term consequences were not too tragic. But as the Foreign Service followed events surrounding Schleswig-Holstein, it seemed that such hopes would not be fulfilled.

[JEDCJT]

"If the inhabitants in the region once known as Schleswig-Holstein wish to remain under the protection of the Kingdom of Sverige, so be it. Historical irrendentism and cultural assimilation should not be used as a vehicle to override or otherwise dictate the voice of the People."

- Lev Gromyko, Foreign Commissar

[Triyun]

"It is good to see our British Counterparts are capable of reading, and are very good at pulling up clippings from the Northlands Archive News Network. I am very proud of them to find such an old document, and seem to be under the impression that as time passes, things change, areas change, people move in, and people move out. Sverige citizens heavily populated the area as part of the open border policy with the Northlands seeking employment, as many Germans crossed the border into Sverige. I would assume besides the ones that have stayed, if they did not end up in the Kingdom of Sverige, then I must assume they went to other areas. So sir, I must say your attempt to cause us mass murders is rather a farce and shows your character as another militant nation, perhaps you should be more concerned with your own allies butchering Germans, and be less concerned as what Sverige does with its own territory. Or does the British Isles turn a blind eye to blatant murder?"

 

Then it is unfortunate that it is not you territory nor is there any historical basis to prove major demographic shifts.  Our position remains that this needs to be settled with the Germans, we simply will not stand for Sverige unilaterally annexing land without mutual consent.

 

"If the inhabitants in the region once known as Schleswig-Holstein wish to remain under the protection of the Kingdom of Sverige, so be it. Historical irrendentism and cultural assimilation should not be used as a vehicle to override or otherwise dictate the voice of the People."

- Lev Gromyko, Foreign Commissar

 

Did we miss the election where they voted for this?

[Lysergide]

"If the Germans wish to approach us about a territory that hasn't been German for some time, they may feel free to contact us and conduct diplomacy with us, without the presence of the British. We are more than willing to talk to them, we are however not willing to conduct diplomacy through the British with them. If you can't quite figure out how Emigration, and Immigration works, in the mean time I would suggest you look into it and understand that Resettlement policies were in place by the Northlands government, and I don't see why you lack the ability to see it as strange that the German people would move out, while Northland and Sverige Nationals moved in. Though we do enjoy you skirting around the issue of your German Allies going on a murdering rampage in Germany, so unless you wish to address that issue with us, do not bother to respond.

 

And to the Germans, if you wish to talk to us, feel free to send a Diplomat to Stockholm, we would be more than willing to discuss this with you."

[Triyun]

"You are not sovereign in the territory and have never been, you've merely asserted a claim to it.  If you're going to attempt to merely push your weight around and live in a reality where only what Sverige says matters rather than negotiate, and only negotiate while occupying you're going to be in sore trouble.  Further Northlands in no historical document ever once showed migration between Germans and other Northlanders, Northlands was not a nationalistic identity the way you talk about Danes.  Germans became Northland citizens, they didn't move.  There rights deserve to be respected in accordance with actual documents.  Britain and Germany are allies, Britain has claim to the area as a protectorate, the sole way Britain withdraws our claim for Sverige is if Sverige sits down with Germans and comes up with a political solution, rather than force one with a military occupation.  Those Germans you claim went to Sverige never were you citizens and all that immigration simply is not documented.  You've not produced a single historical document to support your case, but rather have been wholly uncooperative.  If Sverige wishes to drive towards confrontation because it refuses to deal in facts that is on it.  But it will not receive the results I think it desires.  Negotiation is the only path forward, and Britain will not abandon her allies, and see they can negotiate from a position free of military intimidation or altering of facts on the ground."

 

OOC:  I do hope this is just propaganda as you can't RP Ty's former citizens.

Edited November 6, 2014 by Triyun

[Kevin Kingswell]

"Hanover has made it intentions quite clear in regards to handling the situation in the former Northlands territory and have offered a meeting for ALL involved parties which Sverige is apparently willing to decline. We will hold no individual negotiations without our allies being included. As for our actions in Germany Hanover security forces are currently involved in a highly dangerous counter terrorism operation. If Sverige is as knowledgeable as they appear to be then they will know that the terrorists recently carried out a terrorist bombing using chemical weapons resulting in the deaths of civilians and Hanover military forces. Claims of atrocities by the Hanover military are unfounded and insulting and should be stopped at once",

[Lysergide]

Diplomatic Note from Sverige

 

The Kingdom of Sverige wishes to invite the nations of Alvonia, France, Russia, and Japan to attend a conference in concerns to the Schwlesig-Holstein and Hamburg territories currently under the administration and military protection from rampant militarism and subversion from foreign powers. The nation of Alvonia will be invited to attend based on the principle that they are a German state and it seems Germans should be represented in this affair. The French will be invited because of the old Frankish tribes which conquered France in the past. The Frankish tribes were Germanic, so they should have a right in the affairs of these "German" States. The Russians will be invited because during the Cold War they occupied half of Germany, and this gives them the right to dictate affairs of these "German" States. The Japanese were once allied with the Germans at a period of history, thus their foreign affairs clearly states that they should have a say in what happens to these "German" states.

[Triyun]

Unproductive notes aside, the question remains do you wish to do diplomacy or not.  We've repeatedly said a political solution, to which you've been flippant.  Its especially troubling because going back, your treaty with Northlands says absolutely nothing about you getting Schwlesig-Holstein or Hamburg as you originally claimed, but [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122171-sverige-northlands-diplomacycnrp2/?p=3299883]only specifically references the 2 kilometer canal territory in the transcripts from the archives of the Northland side of the negotiation.[/url]

 

The face is is that you simply aren't on any firm legal ground.  In the interest of peace in Europe we're willing to have both our military forces exit the region for peace keepers from some neutral country, probably Prussia due to its proximity, and Carthage and Russia one ally of each of us administer the zone while we sit down with a political settlement either by negotiation or by tribunal from mutually agreed upon sources.  This conduct is not how mature states behave.