Evangeline Anovilis Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I was actually thinking the other day that perhaps there should be a rule that when a war is being conducted, the participants only have 48 hours to respond to each other. This means that if there is a question in someone's post, a GM reviews it and makes a decision - that's it. There is none of this arguing for three days to make one post. I think that would help keep things moving along. Not everyone would get their way every time, but it sure would keep the ball rolling. What we have right now is some type of disgusting bureaucratic crap that is most certainly not deserving of being called RolePlay, let alone CyberNationsRolePlay. I'd like to think that'd be a bit unreasonable. While I do find it excessive that some people need about three weeks to respond, I would think that 48 hours is a bit short and might be problematic. 7 days, if enforced, works decently well. Also, if you have it 48 hours and a great deal is decided by GMs, that could be problematic if posts are overly vague. Take for example Rudolph's first response to the war, which includes no location, no force count, no data on what missiles are being used, a lot of things are pretty vague. If a GM has to interpret such a post, they'd be making up at least half of what's actually important (from where, did how many troops project what firepower). If in such a case the RPer responds, it is an argument between the two parties at war. If however the GM has to come up with things, it might be that there'd be bad choices and the GM is blamed for issues, getting kind of involved. Not to mention, GMs are elected by the community without criteria to have any clue on war whatsoever. If a post was not actually that unclear, but the GM just has no idea, then it'd be an issue. For example, Yeru requested to know from me what one of my ship classes was, as I of course don't use the real name, given my ships carry Romanian names. If I had not been available for 48 hours and the GM would have to rule, they might not know what I was using and would have to make up a ship class. Issue is, I spacified the ship class already somewhere in my news, so it'd be an argument thereafter, why the GM made one up and... goodness, we'd have even more arguing. What should however absolutely be encouraged, in my opinion, is that the parties to a dispute talk to each other. I requested information for my post from Rudolph and Yeru, without success for about a week, before I went to Ty, because they'd not reply. They afterwards both did not contact me with inquiries, but went to Ty again, because, I don't know, it's not like Ty just will go and pass questions on, as he can't do much but ask me. Given Ty's general inactivity, I think two weeks passed, before the matter landed before Voodoo, who just created a PM convo. Since, then, there's a direct contact between the parties at war, while Voodoo pretty much only oversees things like autos, as we kind of figured out the rest. In the end though, the question remains, as to why we needed to ask via Ty and couldn't talk to each other from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 GMs aren't required to have a clue about this technospam. All these issues could be solved with a 50/50 dice roll if the rpers refuse to come to an agreement. GMs need to stop fixing people's problems for them and start insist on people growing up and fixing their own broken crap. GMs facilitate and try to help rp move forward, they do so in a variety of ways. Yet, the majority of the responsibility for the rp and fixing issues is on the rpers. Incompetence coalition rolled in and hucked a bunch of rocks at the Incoherent coalition and now both sides are screaming, "DURP" at the top of their lungs. Which is fine, because in the long run that's all they really want to do anyway, scream at each other oocly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Personally, I just want FHIC's france to be in a secure position so she can have a civil war and I can support our lesbian baby becoming the King of France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm kind of with Eva. I queried FHIC on her last post and got quite a few things clarified then didn't get much response when it came to some more disagreeing stuff. I made the same effort with Mara and Lyn. Certainly Lyn was pretty civil though a bit stand offish at first, and FHIC was good at first. But I don't think the problem extends to both sides to the same degree. All our coalition members tried to address things on a timely basis, were available for IRC query, never stormed out of meetings etc. The same can't be said in reverse. We're in this in part because two sides foster mutual antagonisms, but there's no doubt that those antagonisms stem from one side being live and let live with the past, and one side holding very long term grudges. If the Tricent Hegemony as you like to call it was bound by long term grudges the Tricent Hegemony would be at perpetual war with itself. The other issue is simply a question of thing things can and cannot do. A large part of the objections center around no ineffective tactics but unworkable tactics. This could on one hand be addressed if one of us says, 'This defense doesn't work you still get hit and here's why' or 'this airplane does not have the capability to engage someone from here and here's why' OR it can be explained OOC. Either way people bitch. However, its not on us to make sure the adversary doesn't RP god modding offense and defense, its on them, what is on us is to show a reason why and why not. Just because Mogar doesn't know what he's doing when he throws up a wall of missile spam, doesn't mean I need to lose or not be able to use tactics to defeat it. And yes tactics involve technology and maneuver. I'd also point out that the environment under which this would be occurring would be significantly better if the other side were more mature and at least kept their shitting off public channels. I got plenty of after they posted the first move 'Oh Triyun's lying about his life, his degree etc.' then after my response, 'HURRRRR why do I have to fight against Triyun at this level he has a degree' from literally the exact same people. I've got no motivation to be nice to people like that, and it is not something that is particularly historic to CN RP, its a new phenomena with this coalition of theirs and a new low of behavior. I don't recall EM, Kanks, Cochin, Martens, or I ever doing that to eachother. Then there are attacks on Voodoo's GMing. Every experience I've had with Voodoo's GMing he's asked me whomever I'm having a disagreement to state our case and present evidence. What I see is merely the fact that he listens to my case and my evidence results immediately in him being called bias. The other respondents rarely then state their case or present contradicting evidence to support their claim. They just attack him. So if he rules for me because I'm the only one who presented evidence that's reinforcing his bias. That's a ludicrous notion. Weighing cases on evidence presented is the only way not to be bias. To weigh a case based on whether or not you like someone is bias, but there has been no case where Voodoo has done that, and he was accused as bias right off the bat. That's just dragging things into the mud. You want to fix the problem look at the blurring lines there. I'm not going to go out of my way to help people who are assholes get a less lopsided ass whoopin' :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 GMs aren't required to have a clue about this technospam. All these issues could be solved with a 50/50 dice roll if the rpers refuse to come to an agreement. I am 100% in favor solving every fight with a coinflip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I am 100% in favor solving every fight with a coinflip. gms can feel free to use my irc dice script to decide the fate of the rp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horo the Wise Wolf Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 gms can feel free to use my irc dice script to decide the fate of the rpayyy lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 48 hours = 2 days. Is that really unreasonable? Sometime within 2 days they should be able to get on and make 1 post, I mean, seriously. I am on board with PD here. In regards to the last page conversation, in real life, if a there is a nation you do not like, sure you can not recognize them, but you can't avoid them. If they attack you, you can't ignore it. If they go to war with an ally. If they are moving into your protectorate, you can't just ignore them. Is this not what it is about, a simulator? A role-play? Also, seriously? How much OOC does it take to role-play? Other forums I play on for other rp, nobody has made a post in OOC in days. This could likely be because it is a governed game. It is organized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostGloriousLeader Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) 48 hours = 2 days. Is that really unreasonable? Sometime within 2 days they should be able to get on and make 1 post, I mean, seriously. I am on board with PD here. In regards to the last page conversation, in real life, if a there is a nation you do not like, sure you can not recognize them, but you can't avoid them. If they attack you, you can't ignore it. If they go to war with an ally. If they are moving into your protectorate, you can't just ignore them. Is this not what it is about, a simulator? A role-play? Also, seriously? How much OOC does it take to role-play? Other forums I play on for other rp, nobody has made a post in OOC in days. This could likely be because it is a governed game. It is organized. Yeah, you know most of us have lives beyond this game right? I'm a college student and typically that means throughout the week I have homework, papers and studying to do. Others of us have jobs. Our lives don't just magically make room for some forum based nation role play game. A week is a very reasonable time frame for posting. Edited October 31, 2014 by MostGloriousLeader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yeah, you know most of us have lives beyond this game right? I'm a college student and typically that means throughout the week I have homework, papers and studying to do. Others of us have jobs. Our lives don't just magically make room for some forum based nation role play game. A week is a very reasonable time frame for posting. This. Though I personally normally can find the time to make a post within a day or two, most people require quite some time to come up with a reply and write it down, not to mention, one might have questions and people are not available to answer to them 24/7. A week is a good timeframe. People normally also don't post last minute, but after a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzydog Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I am 100% in favor solving every fight with a coinflip. Seeing as how good RP and prior planning is worth nothing in the face of technobabble and mega-weapons, yeah, why not? At least wars wouldn't be "who complains the longest". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Seeing as how good RP and prior planning is worth nothing in the face of technobabble and mega-weapons, yeah, why not? At least wars wouldn't be "who complains the longest". I've seen that thrown around a lot, good rp. But when you ask 10 people what they actually mean with it you get 10 different answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I've seen that thrown around a lot, good rp. But when you ask 10 people what they actually mean with it you get 10 different answers. But then you force everyone else to follow your idea of "good" RP, in order to actually do anything militarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 This goes for all rps, but when I post pictures for news articles and stuff, is it plagiarism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 This goes for all rps, but when I post pictures for news articles and stuff, is it plagiarism? Not in the context of RP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Not in the context of RP.Could you explain this for me? Pretty sure I understand you but if you could clarify. Edited November 1, 2014 by Peter Ilyich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedran Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 What is Druk Yul's dissolution going to mean for the crews participating in the international space program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I doubt most people care since we only interact with people ICly if we like them OOCly, evidently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Take it over? That or your people up there might die in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Director Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 What is Druk Yul's dissolution going to mean for the crews participating in the international space program? Stage an internationally backed rescue... once we've finished shooting at each other, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 War is getting wiped. Per the rumor mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'll believe it, when Voodoo posts it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Harkonnen Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 War is getting wiped. Per the rumor mill. Good deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Good deal... And then Druk Yul will be back on the map, hahah. Hopefully it doesn't, because then I have to back up my mars plans. Edited November 2, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercheese Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Mael: I was actually quite serious with my rp. Just as legitimate as a population of space dragons. I do however appologize for my ooc comments I hadn't read your second post asking for it to stop. Edited November 2, 2014 by supercheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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