IYIyTh Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 We'll see mass-ghosting or something along those lines if this war goes on for too much longer. Also, just a reminder that if NoR took peace today NPO still couldn't start terms so shut up about them holding NPO at war. That was at the NPO's request. Not that again, you would know anything about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) That was at the NPO's request. Not that again, you would know anything about that.I think you misread something. Everyone is claiming NoR is holding up NPO's peace, which isn't completely true.Think your side could wash & dry my clothes? It'd be a better use of spin than trying to convince people of things that aren't happening. Edited February 9, 2014 by Neo Uruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 The way NoR tried to target Mortal Wombats makes a surrender warranted. Yall must have thought you were so clever until we managed to form up the oA counterattack. That was the best night of the war for me. Considering the trouble NoR has unnecessarily caused, surrender is getting off light. What do you mean "We" Kemosabe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) That was at the NPO's request. Not that again, you would know anything about that. NoR gets peace today, there's still AI and others in war. NoR is not holding up NPO's peace at this present time, this is the point he was making.But you keep aiming for that target. Edited February 9, 2014 by Rayvon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 NoR gets peace today, there's still AI and others in war. NoR is not holding up NPO's peace at this present time, this is the point he was making. But you keep aiming for that target. I'm not sure what y'all are yabbering about anyway. Whether it's one or two fronts that remain open, NPO wanted to stay in as long as the other fronts remain open. They're still open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empress Kiley Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I would be surprised if you said anything different. Like a good politician, but still the battle reports show MW doing far worse than others of your allies. Lack of coordination, I had one guy declare on me in the middle of the day, without either bothering to muscle up or attack. I admit I had difficulty with the two other opponents (who declared a couple of days before him), they fought both well and with co-ordination (I would expect nothing less from VE), but you chap botched most of his attacks and even when I had no nukes for the last two days (after the VE guys were out) he still managed to perform badly. You seem to think Nor has been our primary target and objective through out this war. When you look at the over all numbers, we come in at #34. Considering the size of our alliance vs the size of others, that is very acceptable. We have only had 292 wars and have done 1,266,229.09 damage. When you take all the information into consideration, we've done just fine. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm not sure what y'all are yabbering about anyway. Whether it's one or two fronts that remain open, NPO wanted to stay in as long as the other fronts remain open. They're still open.So do you admit that all the railing your side has done about NoR holding up everyone's peace is retarded bullshit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Not being *the only reason* doesn't mean you can't be *one of the reasons*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 What do you mean "We" Kemosabe? Recall I was high govt once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Can I just interject here. Again, sorry TLR for the thread derail. I don't recall who dragged us into this thread but meh, it's done. I don't have the time or inclination to pore over war stats, but I personally know that MWs Howlin Mad pretty much did the most damage to my nation, so well done to him. I and other members of NoR will always defend ourselves in battle or on the OWF, and sure, sometimes it can get a little heated. But take that more as a love of our own community than disdain for yours. We entered to support our ally NG, but obviously treaty webs make a nonsense of everything as regards wars and peace agreements. We accept that, and genuinely do not wish to cause grief to "our side". Neither do we care to get embroiled in a protracted and damaging guerrilla war with the polardoxic side. We don't really understand your plan, and frankly don't care. We are and never were the target, a primary target or anything like a crucial factor in the outcome of this war. The sad fact is that the way this panned out has allowed some old AAs with long ago grudges which we have moved on from to ride the coat-tails of others to victory and attempt to humiliate us for personal reasons. All we ask is a little leniency, we did our job and did it well. But we were also undeniably defeated politically, numerically and therefore militarily. As MoFA, I have to take the greater part of the blame for that. For the sake of my people and the NPO coalition, I humbly request that NoR is permitted to leave the war and admit its defeat to your coalition. Finish this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm not sure what y'all are yabbering about anyway. Whether it's one or two fronts that remain open, NPO wanted to stay in as long as the other fronts remain open. They're still open. No, you don't know. We see this. It shows.Yes, NPO is open while the other fronts remain open. Your powers of observation did not fail you there. The part he was responding to, is the part where all pressure is trying to be put on NoR is this TLR etc thread for being the one who is still holding NPO in war - per this agreement you note. It's disingenuous at best to put that solely on NoR's shoulders, just as it's expected from you to sidestep to a new point when your last is put back to you, when NoR is not the only one still at war of whom NPO is waiting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 No, you don't know. We see this. It shows. Yes, NPO is open while the other fronts remain open. Your powers of observation did not fail you there. The part he was responding to, is the part where all pressure is trying to be put on NoR is this TLR etc thread for being the one who is still holding NPO in war - per this agreement you note. It's disingenuous at best to put that solely on NoR's shoulders, just as it's expected from you to sidestep to a new point when your last is put back to you, when NoR is not the only one still at war of whom NPO is waiting for. I'm not? In the exact post you quoted I said both fronts. Whether one front is being retarded, or two. Did you even bother to actually read what you were quoting or did you just start typing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm not? In the exact post you quoted I said both fronts. Whether one front is being retarded, or two. Did you even bother to actually read what you were quoting or did you just start typing?In which you reply as an exception to claims made against your coalition's PR strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 When you are all done shadowboxing yourselves, perhaps you can step aside a moment and let TLR enjoy their peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) I can guarantee you, that if I'm leaving the war alongside the ally I joined with, and they're agreeing to a surrender, that I would as well so as to not hold it up. I can't believe your side is being so ridiculous that you'd rather hold your entire sphere at war over words. It goes both ways. Accept you have more to lose than we do. I know you find this hard to believe and your threats of even larger reparations on us if we didn't agree to your demands are and will always be laughable. And NoR isn't holding anyone at war. At any point NG could exit this war, but we told NoR that we aren't doing that. They allowed us to do so, but NG isn't like that. Not sure why you'd be so quick to leave your ally on the battlefield, but I guess that does explain a lot. You really feel like you have a lot of leverage but if you look at who you are fighting for and their political leverage post-war - you'll find you might've wanted to treat us with a bit more respect and not argued over semantics from the alliance that had the highest dmg ratio out of any alliance in our coalition. Edited February 9, 2014 by Steve Buscemi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pd73bassman Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Can I just interject here. Again, sorry TLR for the thread derail. I don't recall who dragged us into this thread but meh, it's done. I don't have the time or inclination to pore over war stats, but I personally know that MWs Howlin Mad pretty much did the most damage to my nation, so well done to him. I and other members of NoR will always defend ourselves in battle or on the OWF, and sure, sometimes it can get a little heated. But take that more as a love of our own community than disdain for yours. We entered to support our ally NG, but obviously treaty webs make a nonsense of everything as regards wars and peace agreements. We accept that, and genuinely do not wish to cause grief to "our side". Neither do we care to get embroiled in a protracted and damaging guerrilla war with the polardoxic side. We don't really understand your plan, and frankly don't care. We are and never were the target, a primary target or anything like a crucial factor in the outcome of this war. The sad fact is that the way this panned out has allowed some old AAs with long ago grudges which we have moved on from to ride the coat-tails of others to victory and attempt to humiliate us for personal reasons. All we ask is a little leniency, we did our job and did it well. But we were also undeniably defeated politically, numerically and therefore militarily. As MoFA, I have to take the greater part of the blame for that. For the sake of my people and the NPO coalition, I humbly request that NoR is permitted to leave the war and admit its defeat to your coalition. Finish this war. Surrender and admit defeat to the alliances you are currently at war with and it ends today, it's that easy and that is very lenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Surrender and admit defeat to the alliances you are currently at war with and it ends today, it's that easy and that is very lenient. We've offered to admit defeat, so if you want this war ended today, it's within your grasp and very lenient as well. Or we can continue to keep you at a state of war. Either way, it fine by me. No chest puffing here - I just understand post-war environment maybe a little bit better than you. Time will tell I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CnaedmacAilpn Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 You seem to think Nor has been our primary target and objective through out this war. When you look at the over all numbers, we come in at #34. Considering the size of our alliance vs the size of others, that is very acceptable. We have only had 292 wars and have done 1,266,229.09 damage. When you take all the information into consideration, we've done just fine. :) Say that often enough you will believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 We've offered to admit defeat, so if you want this war ended today, it's within your grasp and very lenient as well. Or we can continue to keep you at a state of war. Either way, it fine by me. No chest puffing here - I just understand post-war environment maybe a little bit better than you. Time will tell I guess. You didn't understand the pre-war environment at all. What makes you think you can predict the post-war one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 You didn't understand the pre-war environment at all. What makes you think you can predict the post-war one? Oh, they knew the pre-war environment. Better than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hormones74 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Oh, they knew the pre-war environment. Better than you think. I'm sure they did, but did nothing to fix it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 You didn't understand the pre-war environment at all. What makes you think you can predict the post-war one?The only thing about the pre-war environment Steve didn't get was that "non-chaining MDP" means "ODP all the time" to some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Can I just interject here. Again, sorry TLR for the thread derail. I don't recall who dragged us into this thread but meh, it's done. I don't have the time or inclination to pore over war stats, but I personally know that MWs Howlin Mad pretty much did the most damage to my nation, so well done to him. I and other members of NoR will always defend ourselves in battle or on the OWF, and sure, sometimes it can get a little heated. But take that more as a love of our own community than disdain for yours. We entered to support our ally NG, but obviously treaty webs make a nonsense of everything as regards wars and peace agreements. We accept that, and genuinely do not wish to cause grief to "our side". Neither do we care to get embroiled in a protracted and damaging guerrilla war with the polardoxic side. We don't really understand your plan, and frankly don't care. We are and never were the target, a primary target or anything like a crucial factor in the outcome of this war. The sad fact is that the way this panned out has allowed some old AAs with long ago grudges which we have moved on from to ride the coat-tails of others to victory and attempt to humiliate us for personal reasons. All we ask is a little leniency, we did our job and did it well. But we were also undeniably defeated politically, numerically and therefore militarily. As MoFA, I have to take the greater part of the blame for that. For the sake of my people and the NPO coalition, I humbly request that NoR is permitted to leave the war and admit its defeat to your coalition. Finish this war. Surrendering is not humiliating. It is normal in the course of war. Lose the battle and win the (figurative) war. Don't lose the (figurative) war because you refuse to lose a battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm not? In the exact post you quoted I said both fronts. Whether one front is being retarded, or two. Did you even bother to actually read what you were quoting or did you just start typing? His first post [of the particular quote chain] started here, just reminding that if NoR took peace today that this war would still continue, that NPO would not be at peace yet while the off-topic-to-this-thread debate regarding NoR is that they're the one's holding NPO at war. Whether by NPO's request to remain at war till all are out or not is irrelevant to that fact. No where in the midst of all this had the AI front been brought up, it's all a pure focus on the NoR-DoD situation and how NoR is currently holding NPO at war with it. We'll see mass-ghosting or something along those lines if this war goes on for too much longer.Also, just a reminder that if NoR took peace today NPO still couldn't start terms so shut up about them holding NPO at war. That was at the NPO's request. Not that again, you would know anything about that. You jumped on him, with that ill-aimed arrow, to throw it in there that it's NPO's request to remain at war till all other fronts are closed. Which is way off point and, as I said above, irrelevant to his point you were attempting to refute. NoR gets peace today, there's still AI and others in war. NoR is not holding up NPO's peace at this present time, this is the point he was making.But you keep aiming for that target. I helped you out here clarifying that point. I'm not sure what y'all are yabbering about anyway. Whether it's one or two fronts that remain open, NPO wanted to stay in as long as the other fronts remain open. They're still open. Then as I said in my next post you sidestepped to a new point, in that most recent post after it was brought up about the other front then you mentioned it while continuing to point out the initial irrelevant point that it's at NPO's request. This wasn't in question or mention, and no one is arguing or saying otherwise. Thanks for reminding everyone what they already know and were not talking about regarding NPO's request. No, you don't know. We see this. It shows.Yes, NPO is open while the other fronts remain open. Your powers of observation did not fail you there. The part he was responding to, is the part where all pressure is trying to be put on NoR is this TLR etc thread for being the one who is still holding NPO in war - per this agreement you note. It's disingenuous at best to put that solely on NoR's shoulders, just as it's expected from you to sidestep to a new point when your last is put back to you, when NoR is not the only one still at war of whom NPO is waiting for. And, to complete Rey's point that you tried to refute with an irrelevant refute, it's not just on NoR's shoulders as the theme here in TLR's thread seems to be alluding to. As you originally alluded to also.I'm quite aware of what I'm typing, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm sure they did, but did nothing to fix it either. Because we don't do realpolitik treaties. Valhalla should have been cancelled months previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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