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Those on NPO's side will agree with the OP, those on the other side will disagree. This reality is almost certainly lost on him, and he no doubt wrote his lengthy and thoroughly pointless monologue under the rather conceited impression that with it he could effect some significant change of opinion. Wrong. Though this is clearly lost on some present, public complaint about the presentation of undesirable terms is, in a very general sense, more likely to stiffen the spine of the other party than to effect a reduction in the severity of those demands. Perhaps if the OP and his cohorts had not chosen to immediately take to the streets in comically self-righteous fury but had instead elected to continue dialogue in private, the lot of their alliance may have been lessened. This very basic concept is one they apparently find impossible to comprehend.

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Those on NPO's side will agree with the OP, those on the other side will disagree. This reality is almost certainly lost on him, and he no doubt wrote this lengthy, wasted monologue under the rather conceited impression that with it he could effect some significant change of opinion. Wrong.

Or he just wanted to counter all the bullshit "NPO is forcing their allies to stay in", "the terms are lenient" etc
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A Message from the Emperor of the New Pacific Order

The New Pacific Order values her tech and infra. We entered this war with our high tier nations hiding in peace mode, and our high tier nations nations have avoided to fight admirably, receiving a total of 0 million NS in damage and dealing back 0m, constituting (with a large margin) both the biggest cowardice and biggest hypocrisy in this war. This is an achievement which would not have been possible without the help of all our allies, who have fought the war for us without cancelling the treaties thay had with us, which would probably make sense considering that we aren't even trying. We managed to keep the #4 position in the Alliance Rankings by simply hiding in peace mode, quite epic, isn't it?

However, recent developments have made it clear that at least one of the goals of the Aggressor's coalition is not being as fool as we expected them to be and notice our secret peace mode strategy. This may cripple the postition of the New Pacific Order is the post-war time (this means the months after the war that OTHER Alliances are currenlty fighting, it's not that we are going to pretend that we are doing it). Throughout several weeks of negotiations, the aggressor coalition has consistently demanded terms that would see all our remaining top and mid-tier nations - 33 in total - be removed from all post-war economic activity via aid-restrictions for a period of over 4 months. This would be by far better that what we always offered to our enemies, but we also love whinning.

These are cash-laden and infra-heavy nations that never fought during this war and we really wanted to see them in peace mode and not receiving any harm. The economic suppression of 33 nations over 4 months would deny us the use of 2376 aid slots - equivalent to 14-21bn of cash aid (depending on the usage of FAC's)... damn! Now we are thinking that not fighting this war was not the best idea! Oh, well... we expected that you were not going to notice it.

Considering that the average schedule in our world sees a war every 6-8 months, the denial of this amount of aid would severely compromise the Order's ability to hide in peace mode during every war, because we would notice that it's not such a good idea after these terms.

We do not hold any grudge against our opponents for wanting to push hard terms on us. We did worst in the past several times and we still laugh about it. When an alliance is capable of hiding the whole of her hight tier nations in peace mode (and particularly when it is an alliance you dislike), it is understandable to make efforts in crippling them so as to prevent a repeat performance. Whilst we generally share the sentiment of pushing for harsh terms, but have been unable to do it since Karma war, we do understand the strategic vision behind them, and can respect our opponents for their foresight.

However, that does not mean the Order will simply capitulate. A peace that cripples us before the next war whilst allowing everyone else to recover is a peace that is worse than the status quo of keeping our high tier in peace mode for a few more months - and thus we cannot accept it. This does not mean that we do not want peace, we actually want it so much that we are hiding in peace mode! - we will continue whinning - however we will not be strong-armed into accepting an awful deal. Even in a losing war, the Order has plenty of peace mode in it.

We do realize that the New Pacific Order's continued peace mode strategy also means that our allies continue to suffer damage because of our cowardice. We have made it clear to all our allies that we consider all obligations and bonds of friendship between us to be satisfied with the current level of fighting and suffering they have gone through, and we will not force or ask them to continue fighting if they are able to get a way out... It's not that anyone is going to nuke our high tier whilst we keep it in Peace Mode anyway, right? The New Pacific Order is fully prepared to hide in peace mode for our post-war economic freedom alone, we can't really care about what our Allies are doing. To date, our allies have been horrified by the harshness of punishment that the aggressors seek to inflict on the Order, and have refused to leave - well, it's not our fault if they are not smart.

With or without our allies however, this war continues whilst we do our best for not fighting it. Not because of any need to "protect" the New Polar Order from a "threat" (any NSO threat having long since been neutralized), or because the New Pacific Order will not be "reasonable" in accepting a !@#$%* deal, but because of one simple truth:

Both sides are fighting to influence the post-war strategic environment. Our strategy has been to skip this war by hiding our high tier nations in peace mode and we really wanted to get away with that strategy. Damn, it didn't work! The Aggressors want to prevent their opponent's coward and hypocrite strategy. However, as the former Pacifican drama queen Dilber, "We love hypocrisy, but its just the outside of our cynism."

Farrin Xies,
Emperor of the New Pacific Order
The Lone Star Emperor

Red,
Imperial Regent of the New Pacific Order

 

O.K... now I can agree with you.

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Crippling terms, obviously.  

 

Enjoy your war, I will enjoy the benefits of both sides prolonging this war.  

 

Bob is the true monster.

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The New Pacific Order, among several others, tried to levy terms on Umbrella that would prevent any of them from sending or receiving foreign aid for up to 6 months or more in the last conflict. I know without even breaking out the calculator that those numbers would dwarf that of whatever aid loss the New Pacific Order would lose by having only 33 of their nations unable to send or receive foreign aid for a set period of time. Thanks to a number of voices in NPO's coalition last war, and the resolve of Umbrella and its allies, these terms never saw the light of day except to be discussed among the rest of us instead of being implemented. These terms caused a significant amount of divisions among the New Pacific Order's coalition last time around and led the split which made this war possible. Whether certain alliances were officially for or against those terms at the time, many have found themselves on the opposing side of the New Pacific Order this time and once again we see a dramatically scaled down version of the terms against Umbrella the New Pacific Order so vigorously fought for last time in play. The New Pacific Order claims that these nations are absolutely vital to rebuilding their war-torn alliance because they are still reliant on the concept of Bank Nations - a tactic that was obsolete as early as 2008 - to finance their bankroll for economic growth.

 
What you're telling me is that the New Pacific Order and company attempted to enact a similar type of economic blockade disposition against Umbrella per-disposed to harsher terms, but that these  nonpareil terms themselves never came to pass the proverbial threshold into reality for the New Pacific Order's own sake? What could have been the paramount course for that decision, Emperor Marx? Although the conditions by which Umbrella would have to reside behind where starkly fiendish, how did this begin to unravel the group? Moreover, if what you write is accurate, would the present denial of contrasting conditions and terms prove rather hypocritical of the New Pacific Order? It appears to be a farce to me.
 

What makes these revised terms different, however, is that an entire alliance isn't being prohibited from sending aid for up to six months after the war. A key difference that defines the reality of the situation the New Pacific Order finds itself in now versus the one the New Pacific Order was fighting for before. These terms are exceptionally lighter terms than the last administration fought for and lost. These same terms were also designed to cripple the post-war growth of an enemy, but fueled by an irrational grudge the former head of that administration held and used his position and influence to act upon. The scale of these terms is noticeably different. The manner in which they're being negotiated in, as well. The Competence Coalition did not come to the Open World Forum to plead for mercy, and it certainly did not attempt to misconstrue the facts of the situation. Instead we see the New Pacific Order doing both of these things, in ill-conceived attempt to improve their hand at the bargaining table by hoping to gain public sympathy which would pressure the governments of the opposition to balk. What the New Pacific Order seems to have forgotten is that negotiations are better served by working behind the scenes, working with the parties they hold differences with and coming to a consensus, and eventually a compromise, together. They gain nothing by standing before the rest of us and crying foul, pointing fingers and using false analogies to the Karma War when in the last conflict they fought for terms that were objectively worse and essentially the same kind of terms that enabled the Karma War to happen in the first place - draconian terms that united the world against a selfish, megalomania fueled oppressor.

 

What is the historical context in which you speak around? It is worth to note that if an alliance does not wish to seek apprehensive terms, they shall transition to a state of indefensible prose and indecisive reaction. Perhaps the New Pacific Order cannot come to bear the thought that the war-time policy suggested could be misapprehended as a libel against their standing reputation?  What do you make of this?
 

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I'm sure your allies don't mind continuing the war rather than agree to absurd terms, so keep up the good fight.

 

NPO pushes for white peace for most of the alliances trying to push damaging terms on them now, even if it caused dissatisfaction among some of their coalition partners who wanted to fight longer. An honorable show of mercy from NPO is rewarded by intentionally pulling them into war through one of their allies, then trying to use the opportunity to push very damaging terms on them. If this is the reward given to alliances who push for white peace against their enemies, then those alliances fighting to put these terms on NPO shouldn't be deserving of white peace in future wars.

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The New Pacific Order, among several others, tried to levy terms on Umbrella that would prevent any of them from sending or receiving foreign aid for up to 6 months or more in the last conflict. I know without even breaking out the calculator that those numbers would dwarf that of whatever aid loss the New Pacific Order would lose by having only 33 of their nations unable to send or receive foreign aid for a set period of time. Thanks to a number of voices in NPO's coalition last war, and the resolve of Umbrella and its allies, these terms never saw the light of day except to be discussed among the rest of us instead of being implemented. These terms caused a significant amount of divisions among the New Pacific Order's coalition last time around and led the split which made this war possible. Whether certain alliances were officially for or against those terms at the time, many have found themselves on the opposing side of the New Pacific Order this time and once again we see a dramatically scaled down version of the terms against Umbrella the New Pacific Order so vigorously fought for last time in play. The New Pacific Order claims that these nations are absolutely vital to rebuilding their war-torn alliance because they are still reliant on the concept of Bank Nations - a tactic that was obsolete as early as 2008 - to finance their bankroll for economic growth. 
 
What makes these revised terms different, however, is that an entire alliance isn't being prohibited from sending aid for up to six months after the war. A key difference that defines the reality of the situation the New Pacific Order finds itself in now versus the one the New Pacific Order was fighting for before. These terms are exceptionally lighter terms than the last administration fought for and lost. These same terms were also designed to cripple the post-war growth of an enemy, but fueled by an irrational grudge the former head of that administration held and used his position and influence to act upon. The scale of these terms is noticeably different. The manner in which they're being negotiated in, as well. The Competence Coalition did not come to the Open World Forum to plead for mercy, and it certainly did not attempt to misconstrue the facts of the situation. Instead we see the New Pacific Order doing both of these things, in ill-conceived attempt to improve their hand at the bargaining table by hoping to gain public sympathy which would pressure the governments of the opposition to balk. What the New Pacific Order seems to have forgotten is that negotiations are better served by working behind the scenes, working with the parties they hold differences with and coming to a consensus, and eventually a compromise, together. They gain nothing by standing before the rest of us and crying foul, pointing fingers and using false analogies to the Karma War when in the last conflict they fought for terms that were objectively worse and essentially the same kind of terms that enabled the Karma War to happen in the first place - draconian terms that united the world against a selfish, megalomania fueled oppressor.
 
The New Pacific Order would be better served by abandoning these ridiculous analogies to a war from years ago, that was in every way earned by the then head of state, TrotskysRevenge, the administration and the alliance that enabled him and his predecessors to do so. It is the New Pacific Order's actions in the run up to and during the previous conflict that have once again earned their seat at this table. There is no sympathy to be found for them and there shouldn't be any given. The negotiations will produce terms far more agreeable than whatever current offers are on the table but nobody earns a better deal by publicly decrying and smearing the process while it is still in session. That is not the behavior one expects from an alliance that proclaims to be at the forefront of political and military "innovation".

This truly represents NPOs philosophical decline over the past few years, decaying from Francoism to neo-imperialism, nostalgic of the power of the hegemony while forgetting its earlier nuances. I backed NPO in 2010 against MK philosophically and was a proud member (after Moo resigned). Even when I returned last september I didnt think NPO was as bad as it has revealed itself to be.

Its a damn shame that NPO is like a prized fighting rooster running around without a head these days. Edited by Tywin Lannister
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You are forgetting NATO, TIO, TLR, ODN, and GATO all of whom have taken more damage than they have inflicted mate. TIO by 1.1 million NS difference. TLR by almost 500k NS difference. I mean, TIO is only slightly behind NSO in overall difference mate. But yes, keep thinking that the military prowess is from the "losing side". Considering you have 5 of your 12 alliances actually inflicting more damage than they are losing. If what you stated was even remotely close to true, the damage differential in the overall coalition would look reversed to what it actually is.

 

NSO is 1,050,606 negative, RnR is 1,551,099. That's 2,601,705 Damage right there. The NPO coalition is only trailing by 2,533,989 damage in total, LESS than the negative damage ratios of just two of the coalition members. Our top fighting alliances are far superior to the NpO coalition in terms of damage output. This will remain so until NpO and their lackeys white peace out.

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NSO is 1,050,606 negative, RnR is 1,551,099. That's 2,601,705 Damage right there. The NPO coalition is only trailing by 2,533,989 damage in total, LESS than the negative damage ratios of just two of the coalition members. Our top fighting alliances are far superior to the NpO coalition in terms of damage output. This will remain so until NpO and their lackeys white peace out.


Sounds like a glorious stability operation against neo-imperialists for another few months. Which is cool with me.
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NSO is 1,050,606 negative, RnR is 1,551,099. That's 2,601,705 Damage right there. The NPO coalition is only trailing by 2,533,989 damage in total, LESS than the negative damage ratios of just two of the coalition members. Our top fighting alliances are far superior to the NpO coalition in terms of damage output. This will remain so until NpO and their lackeys white peace out.

Except the top 3 alliances with the biggest damage done to damage taken, are TOP, Umbrella and VE.  Its almost seems like some alliances are better at war than other alliances.

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Can anyone shed light on what Marx was saying about the Umbrella terms last war? Would be great to hear more about this. :)

Brehon/Pacifica led peace talks for the anti-BIBO coalition.

 

The terms offered Umbrella were extended war and/or complete external aid restriction at various points down the line. The initial offer was either five or six months of zero incoming or outgoing external aid. Note this extended to the ENTIRE alliance, at the time perhaps mid-eighties to nineties in member count, and essentially meant we could not do any tech deals since we didn't have any internal tech sellers. Also discussed in the initial meetings were three months of extended war.

During peace talks, Brehon repeatedly requested that all other fronts shut down and act in good faith to let NPO and Co. stomp on Umbrella alone.

 

Eventually he would get that wish because even for a war that started over us nuking our own rogue, and even negotiating with someone completely unaffected by that action (rather, we were negotiating with the guy that had worked to plan the war for the previous several months and not the alliance with the perceived "wrong") we recognized and appreciated the numerous allies and coalition partners that shed tech, nation strength, time, energy, and nations to defend us, and even knowing that the war over the long term would have been a win for our coalition by eating the enemy from the top down, such a victory would be a defeat for far too many people and overall more harmful to our partners.

 

Thus, on March 22nd, Umbrella accepted the terms and declared the surrender and admission of defeat on behalf of our coalition, and we agreed to an extended war for one month beginning on March 24th, Umbrella versus all of Equilibrium.

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Which coalition are you referring to?

 

Could apply to either side, really (but specifically, NpO, who could simply walk away now that they have neutralized NSO). NoR is only in this for NG. We honor our treaties. But we also like war, so I don't think any of us really care if NpO decides to keep fighting a war with no clear victories.

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Brehon/Pacifica led peace talks for the anti-BIBO coalition.

 

The terms offered Umbrella were extended war and/or complete external aid restriction at various points down the line. The initial offer was either five or six months of zero incoming or outgoing external aid. Note this extended to the ENTIRE alliance, at the time perhaps mid-eighties to nineties in member count, and essentially meant we could not do any tech deals since we didn't have any internal tech sellers. Also discussed in the initial meetings were three months of extended war.

During peace talks, Brehon repeatedly requested that all other fronts shut down and act in good faith to let NPO and Co. stomp on Umbrella alone.

 

Eventually he would get that wish because even for a war that started over us nuking our own rogue, and even negotiating with someone completely unaffected by that action (rather, we were negotiating with the guy that had worked to plan the war for the previous several months and not the alliance with the perceived "wrong") we recognized and appreciated the numerous allies and coalition partners that shed tech, nation strength, time, energy, and nations to defend us, and even knowing that the war over the long term would have been a win for our coalition by eating the enemy from the top down, such a victory would be a defeat for far too many people and overall more harmful to our partners.

 

Thus, on March 22nd, Umbrella accepted the terms and declared the surrender and admission of defeat on behalf of our coalition, and we agreed to an extended war for one month beginning on March 24th, Umbrella versus all of Equilibrium.

Which was the same term you put on NPO at the end of the NPO/DH war, difference being, the above never happened and you all got white peace.

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NSO is 1,050,606 negative, RnR is 1,551,099. That's 2,601,705 Damage right there. The NPO coalition is only trailing by 2,533,989 damage in total, LESS than the negative damage ratios of just two of the coalition members. Our top fighting alliances are far superior to the NpO coalition in terms of damage output. This will remain so until NpO and their lackeys white peace out.

Wars are not decided by who has the highest win/loss ratio, wars are decided by who does proportionally more damage.  Your coalition may be roughly equal in terms of damage done and taken but proportionally, you have lost a lot more.

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Brehon/Pacifica led peace talks for the anti-BIBO coalition.

 

The terms offered Umbrella were extended war and/or complete external aid restriction at various points down the line. The initial offer was either five or six months of zero incoming or outgoing external aid. Note this extended to the ENTIRE alliance, at the time perhaps mid-eighties to nineties in member count, and essentially meant we could not do any tech deals since we didn't have any internal tech sellers. Also discussed in the initial meetings were three months of extended war.

During peace talks, Brehon repeatedly requested that all other fronts shut down and act in good faith to let NPO and Co. stomp on Umbrella alone.

 

Eventually he would get that wish because even for a war that started over us nuking our own rogue, and even negotiating with someone completely unaffected by that action (rather, we were negotiating with the guy that had worked to plan the war for the previous several months and not the alliance with the perceived "wrong") we recognized and appreciated the numerous allies and coalition partners that shed tech, nation strength, time, energy, and nations to defend us, and even knowing that the war over the long term would have been a win for our coalition by eating the enemy from the top down, such a victory would be a defeat for far too many people and overall more harmful to our partners.

 

Thus, on March 22nd, Umbrella accepted the terms and declared the surrender and admission of defeat on behalf of our coalition, and we agreed to an extended war for one month beginning on March 24th, Umbrella versus all of Equilibrium.

Are you saying you didn't get white peace and had to fight an extended war against all of Equilibrium with aid restrictions? That's not how I remember it going down. You were all given white peace. You're welcome for that. Although with this war you've only proven NPO should of put harsh terms on you, when he gave white peace to everyone on your side instead. They've shown they can win a war and end it on a good note, why make that turn out to be a mistake for them?

 

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=116057

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Thus, on March 22nd, Umbrella accepted the terms and declared the surrender and admission of defeat on behalf of our coalition, and we agreed to an extended war for one month beginning on March 24th, Umbrella versus all of Equilibrium.

And then everyone decided "hey let's not" and NPO forced through a white peace!
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Are you saying you didn't get white peace and had to fight an extended war against all of Equilibrium with aid restrictions? That's not how I remember it going down. You were all given white peace. You're welcome for that. Although with this war you've only proven NPO should of put harsh terms on you, when he gave white peace to everyone on your side instead. They've shown they can win a war and end it on a good note, why make that turn out to be a mistake for them?

 

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=116057

NPO made a lot of alliances up set by how they handled the negotiations in EQ. They even lost IRON as a result. But theirs no doubt they saved CnG some pixels but I doubt Umbrella as they won and controlled the top tiers of the EQ war.

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