The Zigur Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) GOONS has a long, long history of negotiations of all types. Its just funny NPO cant seem to figure this out for themselves. But then again I dont think they really want peace. Edited January 16, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 They counter-offered white peace. If you just walk away from negotiations at that point, that's on you. If they walk away at a counter, that's on them. So far, ball's in your court it would seem. No, it really isn't. NPO can easily afford a real offer of merit. It's not our coalition's problem if they are not interested enough in peace to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 They counter-offered white peace. If you just walk away from negotiations at that point, that's on you. If they walk away at a counter, that's on them.So far, ball's in your court it would seem. Let's say I wanted to charge 100 bucks for a sith holocron you need to survive. Lets say you want to be like Farrin and offer $0. "Let me take that off your hands" you say. What do you think I would say to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol Navy Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Here's how I see it, they can stay in PM and let you rebuild, or they can stay in PM and continue damaging you more than you're damaging them. Apparently they currently see more value in keeping you from rebuilding as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 No, it really isn't. NPO can easily afford a real offer of merit. It's not our coalition's problem if they are not interested enough in peace to do so.Here's the thing: your coalition has fucked up to the point where you can't make extreme demands. White peace is a fitting counter-offer in the scenario, you'll have to make some pretty minor demands to get a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Here's the thing: your coalition has $%&@ed up to the point where you can't make extreme demands. White peace is a fitting counter-offer in the scenario, you'll have to make some pretty minor demands to get a win. I'm unconvinced of that personally. Your evidence we discussed was not concrete enough to determine coalition instability. I am confident this coalition will be able to wage war for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Here's the thing: your coalition has $%&@ed up to the point where you can't make extreme demands. White peace is a fitting counter-offer in the scenario, you'll have to make some pretty minor demands to get a win. Raw defiance goes nowhere in negotiations, you might recall the tale of the former Gramlins alliance's ill fated attempt. It's even more difficult when it is not merely your own nations on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schad Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 They counter-offered white peace. If you just walk away from negotiations at that point, that's on you. If they walk away at a counter, that's on them. So far, ball's in your court it would seem. The ball has rolled off the playing surface, somewhere in the vicinity of the net, with both parties alternating between glancing at it and each other. Meanwhile, the ball shows the first signs of developing a new mossy exterior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The ball has rolled off the playing surface, somewhere in the vicinity of the net, with both parties alternating between glancing at it and each other. Meanwhile, the ball shows the first signs of developing a new mossy exterior. Honestly I think at this point the ball has developed a flat surface. :mellow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Honestly I think at this point the ball has developed a flat surface. :mellow: No, that's just my front lawn. I've been rolling it for months under the nuclear winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Raw defiance goes nowhere in negotiations, you might recall the tale of the former Gramlins alliance's ill fated attempt. It's even more difficult when it is not merely your own nations on the line.I recall the Gramlins. There are quite a few differences, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Its just funny NPO cant seem to figure this out for themselves. But then again I dont think they really want peace. Everyone's waiting for you to come back out of peace mode. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Everyone's waiting for you to come back out of peace mode. :| Im out, now will NPO come out too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Im out, now will NPO come out too? Just noticed that your nation is so small it shows as being 65th out of 64 alliance nations. Must be a quirk in how the listings are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Im out, now will NPO come out too? Think you're Ivan or something? Don't be such a fucking pussy and buy some infra if you're gonna sit here and talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornguard Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Think you're Ivan or something? Don't be such a !@#$@#$ !@#$% and buy some infra if you're gonna sit here and talk. If he wants to be so insignificant, let him. It's his own nation to leave in squalor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 If he wants to be so insignificant, let him. It's his own nation to leave in squalor.My wiki explains how I feel about my nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Honestly Tywin, this is really one of your more sadder arguments; although I will say I find it is amusing nonetheless. Also I really do hope your sides coalition isn't dumb enough to let you represent them in any real peace talks. :mellow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Honestly Tywin, this is really one of your more sadder arguments; although I will say I find it is amusing nonetheless. Also I really do hope your sides coalition isn't dumb enough to let you represent them in any real peace talks. :mellow: By no means does he, nor did he when he was actually government in a participating alliance. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Let's be real, participating should probably in quotation marks for at least the period he was in gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Why is NPO being singled out for really harsh terms again? They push for white peace in the last war, so now they are being punished for it? If this is how the response is when NPO tries to change from how they were pre-Karma, where rather than being treated how they treat others, they get treated much worse; than it seems there are those holding influential positions who are doing everything they can make sure the days of overly harsh terms after every war remain. The message I'm getting loud and clear from the NpO side is don't ever do white peace, unless its to your benefit to scheme a few more months, then hit the enemy again with really bad terms. Seems the nice gesture of white peace when coming from NPO certainly isn't recognized. After seeing how the white peace backfired on NPO, even I'm starting to rethink how I feel about white peace. When battling men of honor, you can end it without gouging each other's eyes out or killing everyone you fought, because honorable men can recognize a good gesture and won't seek out another battle just to prove they will be less merciful if they win. Savages however, can only understand force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I will note that I never claimed to represent the coalition officially, not even to Steve Buscemi. I merely offer my analysis to interested parties, and on the OWF. My opinion is founded on material analysis and enhanced by prior coalition government participation, and not being government does not revoke my opinions nor my vision. Edited January 17, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I represent the coalition officially and am always available for discourse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I am the coalitions. Both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Why is NPO being singled out for really harsh terms again? They push for white peace in the last war, so now they are being punished for it? If this is how the response is when NPO tries to change from how they were pre-Karma, where rather than being treated how they treat others, they get treated much worse; than it seems there are those holding influential positions who are doing everything they can make sure the days of overly harsh terms after every war remain. The message I'm getting loud and clear from the NpO side is don't ever do white peace, unless its to your benefit to scheme a few more months, then hit the enemy again with really bad terms. Seems the nice gesture of white peace when coming from NPO certainly isn't recognized. After seeing how the white peace backfired on NPO, even I'm starting to rethink how I feel about white peace. When battling men of honor, you can end it without gouging each other's eyes out or killing everyone you fought, because honorable men can recognize a good gesture and won't seek out another battle just to prove they will be less merciful if they win. Savages however, can only understand force. Aaaaaaaaaand thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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