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Ohhhhh, your alliance also has the cross of red! You are also cross people like the Templars? I did not know this! We must become friends. The Zulu follow the word of The Lord who often speaks to Ubuntu making voices in my head. We are indeed followers of the true cross of god! I Ubuntu the great am often the instrument of gods wrath on the evil people's of planet Bob. We shall fight evil in his name.

They are allied with TTK, yes.

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I've yet to see an MQ member use anything but better-than-decent English. Our flag, maybe you can speak on, but everything else you can compare to actual happenings [OOC: hell, we can even go to the Crusades for comparisons if you want to keep the current global mess out]

The guy might actually be Zulu irl...but chances are he is role playing, and who cares? You think all Africans speak perfect English? It's a GAME. I am a minority (a Romanian Gypsy, actually) and stereotypes have never bothered me, especially played out in games. This is not racism.

 

Says the guy who is in a "Christian" alliance despite the fact that Jesus was a total pacifist.

Its a game bro. We are not actually killing people here.... A. Game.

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The guy might actually be Zulu irl...but chances are he is role playing, and who cares? You think all Africans speak perfect English? It's a GAME. I am a minority (a Romanian Gypsy, actually) and stereotypes have never bothered me, especially played out in games. This is not racism.


Yes it is still racism.
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How do you feel about Puss in Boots?


Look guy I'm not going to waste time on you supporting overt racism. The guy is channeling his inner Conrad to create a Heart of Darkness style character complete with broken English and obvious cluelessness. These are common themes stemming from the last centuries insistence on blacks and Africans being lesser human beings. If you read the history of blackface performance and stereotyping in racist productions you will understand what I am getting at. If I, as a white male, decided to portray an Asian person using "Engrish" spellings for everything I would rightly be called out as perpetuating racist stereotypes.

The fact that you moralist people get up in arms about MQ attacking neutral alliances but have no issue with some dude playing a Victorian era African stereotype in such a blatantly racist manner astounds me. The hypocrisy is utterly amazing. He is trying to be funny by pretending to be an ignorant, half intelligible African king who is in actuality a laughingstock to compared to "real" alliance leaders. The very pretense plays on the idea that he is an uneducated and bumbling African. It's sickening.

Of course this is CN so I have no idea why I would expect better.
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I wasnt going to touch on overt racism, but if you came from SA I find it difficult to see you defending partaking in our world in any way someone chooses to present themselves, considering the level of humor from somethingawful.

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I take it you didnt get my analogy, attempting to remain grounded in our world makes discussion troublesome sometimes.

OOC: posting on a forum for humor's sake, irrelevant of the humor, boils down to the same thing, I don't think he's hurting anyone or seen anyone post finding him offensive, if you can find otherwise please feel free to link me.

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Yes. Show me how GOONS1.0 was a horribly racist creation.

Also show me how this new alliance is in anyway comparable to the original GOONS since it is a broken line, two separate entities.

 

It was misogynistic, homophobic, hedonistic, and a few other words that end in 'ic'.  It did not however don white cloaks and hoods, stand around in a circle and burn trees on Saturday nights, I'll give you that.

 

GOONS 1.0 --> GOONS on the Moon elsewhere (round 1 & 2) --> GOONS 2.0 here.  Each successive version contained many of the same people.  

 

OOC: Gaming communities are gaming communities wherever they game.  If anything it is a tribute to the durability of the gaming community that came from somethingful.com.  I don't have to like the IC or OOC bad behavior of some of their members to respect that much.

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I take it you didnt get my analogy, attempting to remain grounded in our world makes discussion troublesome sometimes.
OOC: posting on a forum for humor's sake, irrelevant of the humor, boils down to the same thing, I don't think he's hurting anyone or seen anyone post finding him offensive, if you can find otherwise please feel free to link me.

The analogy is flawed because the alliance itself is different in terms of members and in terms of what they will tolerate.

OOC: For all its shortcomings (FYAD lol), SA is probably a lot more tasteful than CN. Edited by Neo Uruk
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I dont think people understand what racism actually is....

 

They don't.  They hear American Democrats and the slavish Liberal media cry "Racism! Racism! Racism!" every time anyone disagrees with the black president's socialist policies and agenda.  So by virtue of this conditioning, they think everything is racism if it involves a person of color.

 

This without knowing the very definition of racism.  Nowhere in any of Abuntu's posts is this definition present.  And it's these little Liberal crybabies that continue to refer to the Zulu as savages in this thread.  That's right, it's the ones crying "Racism!" are the ones referring to Zulu as uneducated savages.  Go figure.

 

rac·ism noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\

: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race


: the belief that some races of people are better than others

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The fact that you moralist people get up in arms about MQ attacking neutral alliances but have no issue with some dude playing a Victorian era African stereotype in such a blatantly racist manner astounds me. The hypocrisy is utterly amazing. He is trying to be funny by pretending to be an ignorant, half intelligible African king who is in actuality a laughingstock to compared to "real" alliance leaders. The very pretense plays on the idea that he is an uneducated and bumbling African. It's sickening.

Of course this is CN so I have no idea why I would expect better.

 

 

Don't get me wrong not much of this bothers me one way or the other.

 

Couldn't you just as easily say he's making fun of Victorian stereotypes?  I wonder.  It's an anachronism.  But I also wonder who has an issue with the whole "Mushqueda" thing.  Seems like if one is an abomination the other should be too.  This shouldn't be but it's almost like I can tell what alliance someone is or isn't in based solely where they fall concerning the outrage over all of this.

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Look guy I'm not going to waste time on you supporting overt racism. The guy is channeling his inner Conrad to create a Heart of Darkness style character complete with broken English and obvious cluelessness. These are common themes stemming from the last centuries insistence on blacks and Africans being lesser human beings. If you read the history of blackface performance and stereotyping in racist productions you will understand what I am getting at. If I, as a white male, decided to portray an Asian person using "Engrish" spellings for everything I would rightly be called out as perpetuating racist stereotypes.

The fact that you moralist people get up in arms about MQ attacking neutral alliances but have no issue with some dude playing a Victorian era African stereotype in such a blatantly racist manner astounds me. The hypocrisy is utterly amazing. He is trying to be funny by pretending to be an ignorant, half intelligible African king who is in actuality a laughingstock to compared to "real" alliance leaders. The very pretense plays on the idea that he is an uneducated and bumbling African. It's sickening.

Of course this is CN so I have no idea why I would expect better.

 

That is an excellent analysis, comrade.

 

OOC: The history of American's (and Victorian UK as well) use of blackface, minstrel shows, caricatures of African peoples is long and well-documented. I think it's pretty appalling to create an alliance and an alliance leader character who is based off of these revolting stereotypes. To those who claim this is "not racism," I'm afraid you don't have an adequate understanding of the nature of racism, and how it functions by perpetuating stereotypes and ideologies to permit the ruling race justifications for its subjugation of "inferior" racial peoples. Racism is a biologically irrelevant socially salient ordering of people that functions by socially constructed "races" for people based on stereotypes and perceived differences which then in turn justify the racialist system. This alliance and its leader is a fine exemplar of that strategy as used in the antebellum United States and Victorian UK.

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That is an excellent analysis, comrade.

 

OOC:  To those who claim this is "not racism," I'm afraid you don't have an adequate understanding of the nature of racism, and how it functions by perpetuating stereotypes and ideologies to permit the ruling race justifications for its subjugation of inferior racial peoples.

Dude I know your not a racist...so you wanna try and re word this sentence...O.O

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Don't get me wrong not much of this bothers me one way or the other.

 

Couldn't you just as easily say he's making fun of Victorian stereotypes?  I wonder.  It's an anachronism.  But I also wonder who has an issue with the whole "Mushqueda" thing.  Seems like if one is an abomination the other should be too.  This shouldn't be but it's almost like I can tell what alliance someone is or isn't in based solely where they fall concerning the outrage over all of this.

Probably because MQ is much more connected to certain powers than Ubuntu is, so it's easy to make a stink about Ubuntu with no consequences, but not so easy to make a stink about MQ.  MQ has been around a lot more and done a lot more stereotypical stuff than Ubuntu.  But Ubuntu is an easy mark to complain about.  Not that I think it's worth complaining about either.

 

Of course this is way off topic, so once again, Hail Ubuntu the Great!

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No, it isn't.  Just because you have an extremely low IQ doesn't mean that you get to decide the definitions of words you don't understand.  Get back to the shallow end, the adults are talking here.

 

You are adorable. You clearly have no understanding of race relations throughout the western world, nor do you understand the terms institutional racism or the history involved in what Ubuntu here is actually doing. So you can pretend to be smug in your false mental superiority, but in reality you are supporting a person who is portraying a racist sterotype.

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I take it you didnt get my analogy, attempting to remain grounded in our world makes discussion troublesome sometimes.

OOC: posting on a forum for humor's sake, irrelevant of the humor, boils down to the same thing, I don't think he's hurting anyone or seen anyone post finding him offensive, if you can find otherwise please feel free to link me.

 

His entire character is offensive. I don't know how much more we can explain in this thread how offesnive this is.

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No, it wasn't.

 

If I say the sky is blue, would you argue that point for me too, please.   <_<

 

OOC: Just stop it.  I visited their forums back in the day enough to know, and we really don't need to rehash all their sins.  They as a community are what they are, whether anyone thinks they've evolved or not, perhaps they have, I don't hang out with GOONS on a regular basis these days to know.

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If I say the sky is blue, would you argue that point for me too, please.   <_<

 

OOC: Just stop it.  I visited their forums back in the day enough to know, and we really don't need to rehash all their sins.  They as a community are what they are, whether anyone thinks they've evolved or not, perhaps they have, I don't hang out with GOONS on a regular basis these days to know.

 

If you tell the truth, I'll back you up. As long you're lying and/or telling half truthes, I will oppose you. ;)

 

OOC: So did I. I was ODN gov at the time (aka in the opposition) and I actually talked to them. I can assure you they weren't what you make of them. Quite the opposite, actually. But they were big meanie pooheads to you and you've proven many times that you couldn't get past someone beating you in this game. You seem hellbent on living in the past and spreading lies so I'm not going to stop you from being wrong. Again.

 

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If you tell the truth, I'll back you up. As long you're lying and/or telling half truthes, I will oppose you. ;)

 

OOC: So did I. I was ODN gov at the time (aka in the opposition) and I actually talked to them. I can assure you they weren't what you make of them. Quite the opposite, actually. But they were big meanie pooheads to you and you've proven many times that you couldn't get past someone beating you in this game. You seem hellbent on living in the past and spreading lies so I'm not going to stop you from being wrong. Again.

 

Nahh dude, you are about as contrary as it comes, and not just to me.

 

OOC: I was in \m/, an ally of GOONS all the way up until \m/ disbanded.  There were good people at GOONS and bunch of people who liked to laugh at gay jokes and make fun of anyone they didn't like in the most inappropriate ways possible, a porn section, and other manner of debauchery.  It was distasteful, inappropriate, but not really not my business.  If you saw something else, you clearly didn't have access to the areas I did.  GOONS has never beaten me at this game.  Ever.  So I'm not sure where the hell you are getting your information.  The extent of my problems with them here revolve around issues that have cropped up since.  Call me a critic if you must.

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