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You guys really have nothing else to do with your time do you? I don't understand what this guys beef with ODN is, but he seems to be absolutely obsessed with making fun of/trash talking about every post they make. Who gives a fuck what the vote percentage was? The treaty was passed and that's that. God damn, I'm sick and tired of people talking about stupid pointless shit on these forums!

Get yourself made King of Sparta ASAP with an outlook like that.

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On the contrary, Bucovina stated that 90% of ODN is in favor of the treaty; however, knowing what we know about ODN voter turnout, I questioned the statement that "90%" and "majority" of ODNistas voted for it.  So, when we examine how many voters there were, we find that we can only say that 40%, a minority, of ODNistas are in favor.  As an aside, turnout is way up, which is good for a democracy.

 

I understand where you're coming from, but voter turn out is almost always low in CN democracies. if 40% of ODN voted on a treaty like that, that's actually pretty good.

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 Who gives a @##$%& what the vote percentage was? The treaty was passed and that's that.

How is it a true illustration of the opinion of the alliance if say, 5% show up to vote? I don't know the numbers and I'm sure it's much higher, but that doesn't seem fair to the majority opinion of the alliance if the vote is almost entirely based on the opinion of those that turned up (most likely gov members).

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As much as I hate this treaty, can we please drop this lame argument surrounding the ratificaction vote? I really don't want to read 16 more pages of everyone acting stupid in a poor attempt at trolling. 40% is pretty great turnout for any vote in an alliance, especially one the size of ODN.

 

I know this is the OWF and all, but Jesus Christ.

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As much as I hate this treaty, can we please drop this lame argument surrounding the ratificaction vote? I really don't want to read 16 more pages of everyone acting stupid in a poor attempt at trolling. 40% is pretty great turnout for any vote in an alliance, especially one the size of ODN.

 

I know this is the OWF and all, but Jesus Christ.

 

 

You're still allied to dad :D

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Either way, the only real data available is the actual vote, so that should be more heavily weighted than opinion/guesswork.

Exactly.  The "real data" is that less than half the membership voted, so we can never say that a majority of ODN were in favor.  That's all.  We could say that a majority of voters were in favor.
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I understand where you're coming from, but voter turn out is almost always low in CN democracies. if 40% of ODN voted on a treaty like that, that's actually pretty good.

 

As much as I hate this treaty, can we please drop this lame argument surrounding the ratificaction vote? I really don't want to read 16 more pages of everyone acting stupid in a poor attempt at trolling. 40% is pretty great turnout for any vote in an alliance, especially one the size of ODN.

 

Thank you all for your learned input, I direct you to your nearest reading specialist and my comments of yesterday which you are ostensibly "replying" to:

to be fair, that is a far, far better voter turnout than the May 2011 numbers for participation (13% of 343 members). 

 

 

I was pleasantly suprised by the turnout.

Me too.  Good work.  Has ODN instituted any changes in the system that would give an idea as to the cause for the surge? 

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